You're an incumbent PM in an election year, JT. Show some goddamn backbone.

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Did he mean to say death by political correctness?
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Post #3652 by MP » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:38 am

Max Bernier seems to becoming more and more unhinged after losing the party leadership. Hopefully he splinters off his own right wing party...

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Post #3653 by mayoradamwest » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:42 am

We needed a new right wing party :maw:
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Post #3654 by Craig » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:46 pm

It might push 'em left too though, they could try to steal votes from both sides.

Imagine a center-right Conservative party that runs on good governance and not social issues.
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Post #3655 by MP » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:36 pm

MP wrote:Max Bernier seems to becoming more and more unhinged after losing the party leadership. Hopefully he splinters off his own right wing party...

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Post #3656 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:46 pm

Dog wrote:Over/Under on ot being called the Libertarian Party of Canada (the LPC)?
We already have a libertarian party
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Post #3657 by AD » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:47 pm

Dog wrote:Over/Under on ot being called the Libertarian Party of Canada (the LPC)?


He was asked and refused to join the Libertarian Party
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Post #3658 by AD » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:11 pm

:stare:

That...

That's appealing to me.

















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Post #3659 by WTF » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:28 pm

"Screw you guys, I'll build my own party. With blackjack. And hookers."

-Maxime "Bender Bending Rodriguez" Bernier
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Post #3660 by Craig » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:28 pm

Dog wrote:I don’t know why cons are associated with good governance. The overwhelming majority of their ranks are self interested businessmens (big and small), free market ideologues and/or social conservatives.

Move the Libs bit more towards fiscal responsibility (they shouldn’t be running these deficits at this point in the economic cycle -either tax more or cut down on their non-redistributive or non-infrastructure based projects.


That's what I mean. Imagine a party to the right of center that actually wants to govern well, instead of being self-interested assholes. I honestly can't even think of anyone in Canadian politics who embodies that right now. Maybe Joe Clark? He's a little right of center, but has embraced stuff like the Freedom of Information act, legalizing pot and even minimum income.
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Post #3661 by AD » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:35 pm

Jean Charest is my favourite politician. He should go back and lead the slightly right of center economically, very left of center socially, generally liberal masses (masses... lol) to the promised land.
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Post #3662 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:31 pm

Dog wrote:
AD wrote:
Dog wrote:Over/Under on ot being called the Libertarian Party of Canada (the LPC)?


He was asked and refused to join the Libertarian Party


The Libertarian Party is basically Big D. Big D should join Bernier, not Bernier joining Big D.

:crossarms:

I'm a fiscally conservative / responsible person who is mostly liberal / libertarian on things of a social nature... i.e. I don't give a shit about most of stuff people do but don't want chaos and want people to live within their means while having the basic programs that support everyone (health, education, security) and those who cannot help themselves (the young, the old, and mentally and physically challenged people).

Bernier is socially conservative and fiscally suspect with no real ideals.

We would not get along politically.
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Post #3663 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:42 pm

You can have them annually through the tax filing process. No need to have idiots send out a piece of paper every few years.
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Post #3664 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Dog wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:You can have them annually through the tax filing process. No need to have idiots send out a piece of paper every few years.


There’s alot more questions in the census than in tax returns. Also, many people don’t need to file tax returns.

A census is a demographic survey. Much broader than info collected in a tax return. The info from censuses serves all sorts of planning and research projects. I don’t get the link.


Most census questions do not change and can be confirmed in the same way as the "are you still married" component of the tax return is. And you can make it mandatory to file the tax and personal data form, having the information filled automatically on the CRA site through T4s, etc. and just amended for other information as necessary.

It's all about the efficiencies Dog. Combine similar government functions where possible.
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Post #3665 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:11 pm

Im voting for D's party.

Sorry doggo
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Post #3666 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:29 pm

Dog wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Dog wrote:
There’s alot more questions in the census than in tax returns. Also, many people don’t need to file tax returns.

A census is a demographic survey. Much broader than info collected in a tax return. The info from censuses serves all sorts of planning and research projects. I don’t get the link.


Most census questions do not change and can be confirmed in the same way as the "are you still married" component of the tax return is. And you can make it mandatory to file the tax and personal data form, having the information filled automatically on the CRA site through T4s, etc. and just amended for other information as necessary.

It's all about the efficiencies Dog. Combine similar government functions where possible.


The census ain’t annual, tho. It’s a detailled thing done once every five years I believe. Are you suggesting making it annual as part of tax returns (thereby increasing administrative burden and lowering efficiencies) or keeping it five years but then go into a complicated system of notifying a bunch of tax filers that they have to also fill out the long form census and others that the have to fill out the short form and others yet that they have to fill out one or the other even if they are not filing a tax return.

Seems an awfully convoluted and inneficient way to go about to safe yourself the trouble of having to fill in your name and address twice once every five years.
Im voting for Dogs party.

Sorry BD.
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Post #3667 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:32 pm

Dog wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:
Dog wrote:
The census ain’t annual, tho. It’s a detailled thing done once every five years I believe. Are you suggesting making it annual as part of tax returns (thereby increasing administrative burden and lowering efficiencies) or keeping it five years but then go into a complicated system of notifying a bunch of tax filers that they have to also fill out the long form census and others that the have to fill out the short form and others yet that they have to fill out one or the other even if they are not filing a tax return.

Seems an awfully convoluted and inneficient way to go about to safe yourself the trouble of having to fill in your name and address twice once every five years.
Im voting for Dogs party.

Sorry BD.


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Im not that committed.

D can still make a comeback here.
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Post #3668 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:12 pm

Does anyone who has read the Dog's posts believe he can make an efficient government?
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Post #3669 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:21 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Does anyone who has read the Dog's posts believe he can make an efficient government?
Im voting for big D

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Post #3670 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:50 pm

You don’t actually have to fill out the census. Image
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #3671 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:58 pm

Dog wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:Does anyone who has read the Dog's posts believe he can make an efficient government?


Efficiency isn’t expediency, D. Efficiency, at its core, is the utilisation of specific inputs in such a manner as to achieve desired results in the least wasteful manner possible, be it temporal or material. It does not, therefore, entail that inputs be kept as short and brief as possible. In fact, input selected solely for its brevity (under a misconception of efficiency) will often not lead to the most efficient process. I believe all available option should be explored in order to derive the most efficient processes and that requires lenght of examination even if this would at first glance appear to be an inneficient process. Proper dues will be paid later on, making the system catch up and exceed the efficiency of the system with shorter, less well adapted input. Now granted that we cannot search each and every alternative possible in the universe before committing to a course of action. No, sadly, as fun and utterly exciting as that prospect may seem it will simply take infinitely long and by definition would thus never turn to actually accomplishing the task and thus not lead to an edficient outcome (unless, of course, we count the search itself as an worthy pursuit -which there really isn’t any reason why we shouldn’t, I mean we’re all simply manifestations of oscillations in quantum fields so, well, why the fuck not, right?).

Anywho, long story short, I believe all endeavours that increase order are efficient. As the fundamental property of the universe appears to be its ever increasing entropy, giving time direction in virtue of the probability based deployment of given energy states into ever increasing disorder (by randomly, by pure chance, going towards more states far more likely than ordered ones), any event or endeavour that decreases local entropy (ie. increases local order) by definition increases the overall entropy of the universe. The more ordered a system, the more it efficiently uses free energy for work (ie. maintaining and even increasing order) and thus the more it necessarily increases the overall entropy of the universe (by degrading the usefulness of available free energy for future work). Therefore, we’re forced to admit, as you plainly see, that laborious endeavours that aim to increase order by direct effect also aims to increase total universal disorder and therefore to accomplish, more efficiently, the fundamental aim of the universe (to spread out like a fart until it reaches near thermodynamic equilibrium).

So, thus, yes, Vote for Dog!
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Post #3672 by Craig » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:46 pm

Lol, long story short.
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Post #3673 by Craig » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:41 pm

Go nuts, half of you just call me cunt, so I'm pretty open to new nicknames.
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Everyone at work calls me Crain, if that appeals.
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I stole this image from Frank Graves' tweet just now (below), and am putting it here on its own for posterity.

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Post #3676 by mayoradamwest » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:25 pm

Dog wrote:I’d kill it on the campaign trail and on the sound bites!


The overtly facetious and ultimately duplicitous hillary would have had a wonderful ring to it.
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Post #3677 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:19 am

Cause he does all the heavy lifting, of course.
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Post #3678 by Craig » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:30 am

It was a typo on my security badge.
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Now Crain I can get into.

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Post #3681 by senate » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:53 pm

The Tories want to take your porn away.

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Post #3683 by Boring Choice #2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:55 am

Dog wrote:Boozer, why are 2% of ndp supporters (which I assume to equal 2 people) switching to Bernier?


Just the racist ones. And only the racist ones who are more racist than hippy. And only because they are racist and not so hippy and don't like their current leader because they are racist and not so hippy.
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Dog wrote:Boozer, why are 2% of ndp supporters (which I assume to equal 2 people) switching to Bernier?


Quebec racists who can't vote for a guy with a turban but hate the concept of voting for the waspiest whitest anglo like Scheer. (they finally have a home!)
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Post #3685 by AD » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:15 am

I was just thinking how Bernier-Party could take just enough of a percentage out of the Quebec Conservatives and Quebec NDP and some Alberta Conservatives to give Trudeau a total landslide next year (but not enough to win more that 1, maybe 2 seats)
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Post #3686 by AD » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:16 am

Which, of course, makes me happy.

Fuck the ethno-nationalist regressive conservatives. They deserve everything happening to them after going Alliance/Harper/populist instead of PC/Mulroney.
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Post #3687 by Boring Choice #2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:32 am

Dog wrote:
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Dog wrote:Boozer, why are 2% of ndp supporters (which I assume to equal 2 people) switching to Bernier?


Just the racist ones. And only the racist ones who are more racist than hippy. And only because they are racist and not so hippy and don't like their current leader because they are racist and not so hippy.


You mean greg?

:danson:


If I were to guess, he'd be one of those 3% from the LPC if you weren't here making fun of him and making him feel uncomfortable for being a racist, so he'll just stick with staying with the LPC and deny that he'd ever consider the change because "he's not racist."

Unless of course this post made him angry enough to just say fuck it and leave just to prove me wrong. But then he'd deny that too. He'll just say that he doesn't care what we think either way.
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Post #3688 by Boring Choice #2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:37 am

Dog wrote:But seriously, I meant that as more of a joke. A flash poll like that soeaks more to stupid people knee jerking to the new and flashy than it does for any more solid longer term support, I would think. I’d take that poll with a huge grain of salt. Also would have thought ndp supporters would have known about Turban guy for quite some time now and if they still hadn’t deserted (to either bloc or bq) that would mean that it’s unlikely to be Bernier’s stance on foreigns that attracted them in the first place. But again, goes to the validity of the poll -both in how “up-to-data” the baseline poll numbers were and the validity of this poll -and in any event 2% swing in margin or error-ish.

I mostly just wanted to make fun of boozer’s ndp.


dippers would rather join a racist, misogynist party led by a former conservative than to join the liberal party that is really a ndp party in its policies and its leader (he's practically jack layton).
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Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Dog wrote:But seriously, I meant that as more of a joke. A flash poll like that soeaks more to stupid people knee jerking to the new and flashy than it does for any more solid longer term support, I would think. I’d take that poll with a huge grain of salt. Also would have thought ndp supporters would have known about Turban guy for quite some time now and if they still hadn’t deserted (to either bloc or bq) that would mean that it’s unlikely to be Bernier’s stance on foreigns that attracted them in the first place. But again, goes to the validity of the poll -both in how “up-to-data” the baseline poll numbers were and the validity of this poll -and in any event 2% swing in margin or error-ish.

I mostly just wanted to make fun of boozer’s ndp.


dippers would rather join a racist, misogynist party led by a former conservative than to join the liberal party that is really a ndp party in its policies and its leader (he's practically jack layton).


it's like left leaning albertans preferring to vote ndp because at least it's not those dirty liberals and their damn nep.
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Post #3690 by AD » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:49 am

No. I still think hats in soccer shouldn't be worn. :colbert:


I'm a big fan of super immigration and then strong assimilation. Its sort of my schtick. Has been forever.

(The reason is that I believe all humans are basically the same and equal, but the social living calls for a certain uniformity and melding of cultures trending towards overall advancement. The melding/melting is important, and for me, diversity is good but not the British style "stay in your ghetto and keep everything of your old culture as if you had never left" diversity. I like incluseveniess and mixing).
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Post #3691 by AD » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:59 am

AD wrote:No. I still think hats in soccer shouldn't be worn. :colbert:


I'm a big fan of super immigration and then strong assimilation. Its sort of my schtick. Has been forever.

(The reason is that I believe all humans are basically the same and equal, but the social living calls for a certain uniformity and melding of cultures trending towards overall advancement. The melding/melting is important, and for me, diversity is good but not the British style "stay in your ghetto and keep everything of your old culture as if you had never left" diversity. I like incluseveniess and mixing).


And mixing works better with a bit of everyone abandoning their old rituals. So no crosses on buildings. No turbans in soccer games. Etc.

But not extreme laicité either. I'm a measured laicité kinda guy.
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Post #3692 by Boring Choice #2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:00 am

i could totally see him moving to waterloo if there was a tech company that paid him the big numbers he wanted and then living up in st. jacobs and going to their market every weekend trying to buy/sell hippy products like barn board tables, etc. all-the-while cashing in on all the options he's accumulated over the years to live on his hobby farm with his goat and sheep.

in twenty years he'll be regaling the kids with tales of his youth in kingston and how things aren't the way they used to be.

:mcphee:

edit: damn.
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Post #3693 by Boring Choice #2 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:01 am

Dog wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:
dippers would rather join a racist, misogynist party led by a former conservative than to join the liberal party that is really a ndp party in its policies and its leader (he's practically jack layton).


it's like left leaning albertans preferring to vote ndp because at least it's not those dirty liberals and their damn nep.


Are Albertan’s ferocious anti-lib stance still because of Trudeau Sr’s energy policy like 40 years ago or is there somewhat more recent?


It's all PET's NEP and the hatred of the "central government" telling them what they ought to do.
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Post #3694 by Craig » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:22 am

You guys like to project racism on me. It's kinda creepy, and speaks to some pretty transparent Quebecois xenophobia towards ROC Anglos.

Doggo, I've always been fiscally to the right. Well, that's not strictly true. I like social programs, but I like them with a balanced budget. My dream party is expanding social programs within their means but has a couple of percent surplus in good times to pay down the debt and goes a couple percent into deficit in bad times spending on infrastructure. I hope the Bernier thing pulls all the racist assholes out of the conservative party so they get closer to what I want. Even if they aren't electable, maybe they can start running on fiscal conservatism again and at least put pressure on the Libs to balance the budget.

Basically I've always been a Chretien/Martin Liberal.
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Post #3695 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:36 am

Why are you fellas bullying our good friend, Grég?
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #3696 by senate » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:45 am

Looks like the Mexicans caved.

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Re: Maybe a joke about Bill Morneau

Post #3697 by MP » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:54 am

I too like white Kingston. Although, there is an Asian movement about... :paranoid:
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Re: Maybe a joke about Bill Morneau

Post #3698 by Craig » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:02 pm

There always has been. My best friend's dad was the president of the Asian society for like 20 years.

Kingston is about as welcoming and tolerant society as you'll ever find in a town that's 97% white Anglos. There wasn't enough of a minority presence to be afraid of, I guess.

The surrounding towns though, yikes. Different story.
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Re: Maybe a joke about Bill Morneau

Post #3699 by mooseOAK » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:19 pm

senate wrote:Looks like the Mexicans caved.


So Trump’s revenge against Canada is to cost American auto dealerships business.
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Re: Maybe a joke about Bill Morneau

Post #3700 by Craig » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Dog, you badly misunderstand Kingston. You have an unfounded bias against/fear of something you don't understand. If only there was a word to describe that...

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