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Post #5101 by chaosof99 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:26 am

So Kassian got himself a two game vacation for going apeshit on Matthew Tkachuk. "Good" is what I say to it. Tkachuk is a dick, but both the hits were inside the line (the first one barely) and the response should be to hit back, not to start throwing fists out of nowhere. I just wonder why Matt's brother Brady only got a fine for basically doing worse against Laughton. Both Brady Tkachuk and Kassian went after guys who riled them up with borderline hits earlier in the game, but Tkachuk's response seems to me much more premeditated rather than spur of the moment.

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The caps have resigned Backstrom for 5 years and 46 million. I mean, he's a good player, but jeez, 9.2 million a year for ages 33-37 seasons seems like a baaaaad idea.
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Post #5102 by Craig » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:52 pm

Negotiated that himself too I heard, which is pretty great. Means he keeps an extra 15% or something of it.
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Post #5103 by Hovercraft » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:35 pm

One of those Tkachuk hits was definitely an illegal hit to the head. It was almost like a Downie hit. Both of them should have been suspended.

Backstrom's deal seems a bit pricey but He is the type of player who generally ages well. Same % of cap on new deal as his last deal when he signed it. Definitely means Holtby in UFA is gone though.
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Post #5104 by Craig » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:21 am

They were both primary contact to not the head, which is the dumb way the league evaluates.
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Post #5105 by Hovercraft » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:44 pm

Really surprised to see Vegas fire Gallant.
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Post #5106 by chaosof99 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:35 am

Brandon Manning has been suspended for 5 games in the AHL for using a racist slur. Welp, fuck that guy. Glad we are rid of him now from both a hockey and a personal level.
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Post #5107 by jester » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:52 am

Guys. Gritty's ROE have been loosened.
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Post #5108 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:09 pm

Last year, Sidney Crosby finished in 4th in Selke voting.

He started in the offensive zone 57% of the time. He was on the ice short-handed for 44:47 (over the span of 79 games). And, perhaps more importantly, he was on the ice for 83 goals against (5 of which came while on the penalty-kill), playing for a team that gave up 241.

This year, Giroux has started in the offensive zone 44% of the time. He's been on the ice short-handed for 52:29 (over the span of 50 games). More impressively, he's been on the ice for 38 goals against (5 of which came while on the penalty-kill), playing for a team that has given up 150.

Anyone want to take bets Giroux doesn't finish top-10?

Anyone want to take best Couturier wins it?

EDIT: https://www.thephwa.com/news_article/show/1080159
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Post #5109 by chaosof99 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:08 am

Looks like we have a genuine rivalry in the NHL again, now even including a goalie fight.

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Post #5110 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:46 pm

I've enjoyed the Tkachuk-Kassian back-and-forth nearly as much as the Reaves-Wilson fued going back a while now.

Komisarek-Neil, Crosby-Richards, Avery-Brodeur, and obviously the Lindros-Stevens fueds left a lasting impression as well.

Are there any more relatively recent ones I'm spacing?

EDIT: Add Hartnell-Phaneuf, McDavid-Manning, Lemieux-Draper, Neely-Samuelsson...
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Post #5111 by jester » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:37 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:I've enjoyed the Tkachuk-Kassian back-and-forth nearly as much as the Reaves-Wilson fued going back a while now.

Komisarek-Neil, Crosby-Richards, Avery-Brodeur, and obviously the Lindros-Stevens fueds left a lasting impression as well.

Are there any more relatively recent ones I'm spacing?

EDIT: Add Hartnell-Phaneuf, McDavid-Manning...


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Post #5112 by Rogers Pancreas » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:16 pm

Would Hextall-Chelios be considered a fued?
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Post #5113 by chaosof99 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:51 am

Jay Bouwmeester of the St. Louis Blues suffered a hard attack during a game tonight, collapsing on the bench. He is now awake and in a hospital, but the game was postponed. Shades of Rich Peverly who suffered a similar incident a couple of years ago and never played again. Best wishes and a full recovery, I hope.
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Post #5114 by DeadPhish » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:47 am

Hope Bouwmeester is ok, always scary.
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Post #5115 by chaosof99 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:00 am

Usually I wouldn't be happy about a Hurricanes win since the Flyers are in a playoff race with them. However, they did it with an emergency goalie, a 42-year-old zamboni driver, so more power to them. And it was against the Leafs so everything is three times as hilarious as it should be.
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Post #5116 by CantSeeColors » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:29 pm

Most importantly, that dude is employed by the leafs. He’s the marlies’ zam driver
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Post #5117 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:21 pm

It's hard to imagine anyone one-upping the Senators, but the Sabres are definitely making a push for it.
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Post #5119 by chaosof99 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:28 am

The way things are going in the U.S., I doubt this season will continue, and I doubt the next one will start on time.
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Post #5120 by CantSeeColors » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:29 pm

chaosof99 wrote:The way things are going in the U.S., I doubt this season will continue, and I doubt the next one will start on time.

Fortunately, we have a much more competent country directly to the north that's also involved in the NHL. I feel much better about the NHL playing there than I do about MLB succeeding around the US.
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Post #5121 by CantSeeColors » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:50 pm

Good little article about our namesake: https://theathletic.com/1876881/2020/07 ... firebirds/
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Holy shit. There goes my work productivity in August and September.
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Post #5123 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:19 pm

JLHockeyKnight wrote:https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1280886552391008256?s=20

Holy shit. There goes my work productivity in August and September.

Just get all your work done in the morning. I'm sure your kids will be quiet and keep to themselves the whole time to let you work in peace.
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Post #5124 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:11 pm

I'm reading that the Olympics are back on the table (for the NHL).

Personally, I didn't watch a second of the Olympics without the NHL involved, and I actually watched less NHL games out of spite. So, the news is very much welcomed. However, man did Giroux ever get fucked over in his career.
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Post #5125 by jester » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:41 pm

JLHockeyKnight wrote:https://twitter.com/emilymkaplan/status/1280886552391008256?s=20

Holy shit. There goes my work productivity in August and September.


Yeah ... if they manage to pull this off it will be pretty remarkable. At least they're not trying it in Florida.
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Post #5126 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:12 pm

The Kraken is just so groanworthy... go with the Sockeyes, instead; save us the next twenty years of Doc Emmerick (sp?) Pirates of the Caribbean references/puns. Please and thank you.
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Post #5127 by jester » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:02 pm

I like the Kraken ... plus naming yourself after food?
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Post #5128 by Craig » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Kraken is so bad. It's just bush league sounding. Belongs in the ECHL or something.

I'd have gone with platinum Knights to troll Vegas.
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Post #5129 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:46 pm

Not a fan of the name. But I like the logos a lot. The tentacle hidden in the S (at least appropriate with Kraken), and the Space Needle in the anchor secondary logo. Jerseys are OK, I like the color scheme.
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Post #5130 by jester » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:49 pm

Craig wrote:Kraken is so bad. It's just bush league sounding. Belongs in the ECHL or something.

I'd have gone with platinum Knights to troll Vegas.


We have teams named after weather events, ambiguous geography, and a youth team from a Disney movie.
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Post #5131 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:03 pm

And each and every one of them are better than some mythological, pre-teen, wet dream.

Note: The Anaheim Ducks are simply named after Ducks - not a Disney movie.
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Post #5132 by chaosof99 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:03 am

Kraken is a good and unique named. The Logo, color scheme and sweater are also very well designed. The only thing I object to is the secondary anchor logo which seems really generic, but they incorporated the Space Needle into it so it is at least somewhat distinguishable.

Rogers Pancreas wrote:The Kraken is just so groanworthy... go with the Sockeyes


Let me get this straight: "Kraken" is a groanworthy, minor league sounding name, but Sockeyes isn't? The term "sockeye" is in itself pretty preposterous ("seriously? this thing has eyes like socks?"). I understand that it's a phonetic translation of an indigenous term, but I only found out after looking it up. Only a tiny minority of people would do that. Also, that makes two things, a fish and a piece of footwear that the name incorporates, that are both often described as "stinky". You think that makes for a better name?


Also, there is apparently already an ultimate Frisbee team called "Seattle Sockeye", and a youth hockey team called "Richmond Sockeyes" right across the border.
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Post #5133 by jester » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:10 am

chaosof99 wrote:Kraken is a good and unique named. The Logo, color scheme and sweater are also very well designed. The only thing I object to is the secondary anchor logo which seems really generic, but they incorporated the Space Needle into it so it is at least somewhat distinguishable.

Rogers Pancreas wrote:The Kraken is just so groanworthy... go with the Sockeyes


Let me get this straight: "Kraken" is a groanworthy, minor league sounding name, but Sockeyes isn't? The term "sockeye" is in itself pretty preposterous ("seriously? this thing has eyes like socks?"). I understand that it's a phonetic translation of an indigenous term, but I only found out after looking it up. Only a tiny minority of people would do that. Also, that makes two things, a fish and a piece of footwear that the name incorporates, that are both often described as "stinky". You think that makes for a better name?


Also, there is apparently already an ultimate Frisbee team called "Seattle Sockeye", and a youth hockey team called "Richmond Sockeyes" right across the border.


The fact that you're unaware of Sockeyes has more to do with not being North American than the obscurity of the fish and its association with the Northwest. Do agree it's not a a great mascot name.
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Post #5134 by jester » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:33 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:And each and every one of them are better than some mythological, pre-teen, wet dream.


Subjective to the highest degree. Avalanche is a dumb name for the record, too. Also worth noting, they will be the second mythological critter in the NHL.

Note: The Anaheim Ducks are simply named after Ducks - not a Disney movie.


Really? We are going with this? Why are they the "Ducks," be honest.

Team names are about branding and moving merchandise. I pity the graphic designer that would have to come up with a compelling and cool brand built around salmon. Coolest thing about salmon is pictures of bears eating them out of mid-air. But, yeah, a mythological sea critter with a lot of baked in cool imagery to play with is a bad idea ... The black ink drawing ad campaigns are easy to envision.
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Post #5135 by Craig » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:04 am

They could come out with their own line of tentacle porn!
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Post #5136 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:19 am

Craig wrote:They could come out with their own line of tentacle porn!


Dear God, help us if they decide to have a "Japanese Heritage Night".
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Post #5137 by Craig » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:16 am

Just think of all the bobblehead options!
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Post #5138 by jester » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:12 am

JLHockeyKnight wrote:
Craig wrote:They could come out with their own line of tentacle porn!


Dear God, help us if they decide to have a "Japanese Heritage Night".


... it's the Pacific Northwest.
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Post #5139 by Craig » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:41 pm

It all makes sense now, they're just after the hikikomori market.
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chaosof99 wrote:Let me get this straight: "Kraken" is a groanworthy, minor league sounding name, but Sockeyes isn't? The term "sockeye" is in itself pretty preposterous ("seriously? this thing has eyes like socks?"). I understand that it's a phonetic translation of an indigenous term, but I only found out after looking it up. Only a tiny minority of people would do that. Also, that makes two things, a fish and a piece of footwear that the name incorporates, that are both often described as "stinky". You think that makes for a better name?
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I think the name "Sockeye" might sound a little odd (or unique), but that's largely in part because the fish itself has very little roots in popculture. "The Kraken", on the other hand, has been used and abused for seemingly ever. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's more original. "The Fish of Fishes" also has a very bright, very vibrant color scheme, which opens the door on uniform designs. We wouldn't be guaranteed the same boring black and white bullshit Tampa and San Jose fans have been subject to the last decade. And even though it's a salmon, you can't deny that is one ugly looking fish, so the Miami Dolphins they would not be.
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Post #5141 by jester » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:08 am

If you're problem is with black color scheme ... you're going to have to take that up with consumer habits.
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Post #5142 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:25 am

I’m no expert here, but isn’t the Jersey mostly shades of blue? I think it looks quite nice, personally
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Post #5143 by JLHockeyKnight » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:26 am

CantSeeColors wrote:I’m no expert here, but isn’t the Jersey mostly shades of blue? I think it looks quite nice, personally


Main color on the jerseys are a dark blue similar to the Jets. The two shades of blue are more teals, especially the blue along the bottom of the jersey.

I do like the colors, but just nothing stands out on the jersey that wows me. I know a lot of people I've talked to like the jersey because it's a more "classic" layout. Which is preferable to some other layouts they could have chosen.

Edit: Won't lie, I ran a picture of the jersey through a color blind filter, and I like the shades that come out when you select tritanopia.

https://www.toptal.com/designers/colorf ... ype=tritan
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Post #5144 by jester » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:25 am

I like the colors, too. Midnight blue always looks nice, and the logo designs are well done with fun subtle touches (tentacle in the S, and sky needle in the anchor). That said, I u understand the desire for more vibrant primary colors, but the reality is that those jerseys don't sell well.
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Post #5145 by FlyHigh » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:53 pm

NHL’s BLM response has been really sickening. The shot of PEB, Greenway, Dumba and Kadri today was so sad and just a reminder of all of the problems in and around the league. Feel awful for those guys right now and it’s such a complete indictment of the league that they felt the need to do that.

I dunno, I want to root for hockey players and etc., but you see the responses in other leagues as compared to hockey and it’s just really stark. We always hear about how guys like Toews and Matthews have really colorful personalities that they’re hiding because of “hockey culture”, how about actually trying to stand for something and stand for change as opposed to making a “thoughtful” Instagram post. Same goes for most of the reporters around the game who have been completely silent on this over the past few days.
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Post #5146 by jester » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:09 am

I think you have a couple factors going on there that are worth pointing out.

1) let's not act like the other leagues exhibited real leadership. The NFL very obviously wanted nothing to do with this issue, and all but disappeared Kaepernick (I don't buy they ordered teams not to sign him, but they clearly didn't like his protest and profile). NBA is unique in the landscape due to the predominance of black athletes combined with their interaction with urban cultural trends ... of course, their relationship with China is ... yeah. MLB has had some public displays, but certainly not a real leader here. Could the league do more? Sure ... but it's also not immaterial that it is opening up in Canada, not the US.

2) The league is lily white, and international in a very different way than the other leagues. This isn't to say the league cannot take a position and do things, but ... having a bunch of Canadian, Swedish, Finnish, Russian, etc. white dudes making political statements about US socio-political dynamics is ... awkward at best. So, you end up with a bit of tokenism. It's just very different than having someone like LeBron who may become one of the most important figures in US political discourse in the next 50 years if he wants as the leader of your sport. Who is going to go out there for the NHL and speak like Malcom Jenkins?

So, I think the NHL is in a tough spot. Can they do better? Yeah. I hope things like the Snider Youth Hockey program will make the sport more diverse, etc. But, man, I don't know ... sitting this one out may be better than faking it.
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Post #5147 by FlyHigh » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:41 am

I think you also need to include WNBA and soccer leagues/players in that list as both have been pretty active on this front, particularly WNBA.

I don’t really buy your second point tbh. First, the league has very substantial Canadian/U.S. representation. Canada has had its own problems with systemic racism, even if not as widespread and serious as in the U.S. Second, we saw so many posts/statements from players about how they were going to take this issue seriously, they were going to learn from it, etc. But if you keep just doing the same thing, what’s the point? I mean, the whole Rask/Marchand thing was legitimately pretty sickening because it’s a dog whistle to a very certain type of fan. And I just don’t buy the “Rask is Finnish” argument. The guy has spent at least 6 months in America per year for a decade. If you chose to remain that ignorant about American social justice, at some point that is your fault. And third, just because you are white doesn’t mean that you can’t use your voice. There’s nothing stopping a white player from kneeling for the U.S. anthem, or bringing up Breonna Taylor, or etc. No white person can claim to understand what it’s like to be Black, but they (and we) can still work to try to support the Black community.

What seems to be getting clear is that the real “faking it” part of this may have been the initial statements from the league, teams and players in June. Even the MLB managed to put “Black Lives Matter” on the field. I get that this is a conversation that the league probably doesn’t want to have because of the nature of the fan base, but if that’s the case, then don’t do anything at all instead of tiny little gestures, I just go back to that pic yesterday, the fact that Black players felt the need to do that is really disheartening because it shows how they view the league’s response.
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Post #5148 by jester » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:19 am

Canada does have its own problems, but it's history and relationship to black communities is very different than the US. That's literally where the British brought freed slaves following the American Revolution. It's not remotely apples to apples. And I think it is a pretty misguided belief that just because you spend time in a country that makes you any less of an outsider as a speaker on an issue like BLM. Moreover, it's not necessarily fair to expect them to.

And, Frankly, many of those countries have their own bag of ethnocentrism, etc. back home to worry about.
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Post #5149 by FlyHigh » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:43 am

If those guys are outsiders in the U.S. and if Canada’s problem is much less severe (which I would tend to agree with though I don’t have firsthand knowledge), then why say anything in the first place?

Many of these guys (thinking about Toews in particular) and virtually all of the teams chose to speak initially when it was easy to put up a Twitter note or an Instagram post. But now when it comes to the “action” portion, they’re nowhere. Once teams and players/teams chose to speak, they took on responsibility to make their words count. If they didn’t want to be held to account, then they should have stayed silent. It appears that the teams/players/league just want a pat on the back for doing good PR statements and that’s it. And for an issue this significant, that is tremendously disheartening.
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Post #5150 by jester » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:48 am

FlyHigh wrote:If those guys are outsiders in the U.S. and if Canada’s problem is much less severe (which I would tend to agree with though I don’t have firsthand knowledge), then why say anything in the first place?

Many of these guys (thinking about Toews in particular) and virtually all of the teams chose to speak initially when it was easy to put up a Twitter note or an Instagram post. But now when it comes to the “action” portion, they’re nowhere. Once teams and players/teams chose to speak, they took on responsibility to make their words count. If they didn’t want to be held to account, then they should have stayed silent.


I mean, the vast majority of them are not US citizens and cannot vote. Many of them will return home as soon as their careers are over. I'm not sure why saying something in support of the BLM message equates to a necessity that they take on more of a leadership role in a grassroots domestic protest movement concerning US socio-economic and political issues.

Again, the NHL for a variety of reasons is not the NBA/NFL/MLB on this front. They just aren't. They aren't even in the US right now.

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