US Canada Merger or North American Union?

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Post #1 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:24 pm

dempsey_k wrote:For it to work, there'd have to be streamlined immigration/agricultural/forestry/fishing/industrial laws, and while separate even further integrated militaries/foreign policy.


I think all of that would be quite easy and it would be most beneficial for both countries to have an enlarged interior market and more efficient exchange of ressources and manufactured goods.
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Post #2 by Germz » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:27 pm

If the USA could at least make it easier for spouses of international students to get a work visa, that would be fucking great.
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Post #3 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:31 pm

Dog wrote:I'm ok with joining the merricans. Well, not the crazy states, but we'll further drown those out.


I'd totally like the US if we join as the extra 10% of centrist democrats we're bringin in will really have the US aligned with my political views.
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Post #4 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:37 pm

No thanks says Canada.
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Post #5 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:38 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:No thanks says Canada.


No no no. Don't listen to him.

We say yes! Short term difficulties but long term this is good for everyone!
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Post #6 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:41 pm

AD wrote:No no no. Don't listen to him.

We say yes! Short term difficulties but long term this is good for everyone!


Please tell me you're joking.

I like a quiet, neutral Canada in all matters of foreign policy - as far away from America's insanity as possible. And please no Comcast.

America's immigration laws are absurd, of course.
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Post #7 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:48 pm

Schengen + the 2nd Amendment = fun times for Canadian cities
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Post #8 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:50 pm

Dog wrote:I think the EU is telling us that meaningful economic integration without meaningful political integration, well it doesn't work so good.


Meh, the differences between Canada and the US aren't as big as those between Italy and Germany. We're pretty fucking American already.

I'd be ok with something between the EU and NAFTA, but I want nothing to do with the US healthcare or legal systems.
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Post #9 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:01 pm

Craig wrote:Meh, the differences between Canada and the US aren't as big as those between Italy and Germany. We're pretty fucking American already.

I'd be ok with something between the EU and NAFTA, but I want nothing to do with the US healthcare or legal systems.


Keep in mind that we tend to deal with sophisticated Americans with whom we do share a great deal in common. I suspect I share a lot in common with people who live in Manhattan/Chicago/San Fran etc... but not a whole fuck of a lot with someone from Waco Texas.
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Post #10 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:01 pm

A monetary union would be an interesting prospect. The need for independent central banks isn't that strong in this case, we tend to keep our interest rates very close:

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But I'm not sure the benefits (which are uh...?) outweigh the pain that the Canadian economy would feel if the Canadian dollar didn't devalue every now and then. That could be messy.
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Post #11 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:02 pm

Dog wrote:Think of all the winter olympic medals we'd get!


Imagine living in a country that was competitive in the Summer Olympics.
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Post #12 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:02 pm

Craig wrote:Meh, the differences between Canada and the US aren't as big as those between Italy and Germany. We're pretty fucking American already.

I'd be ok with something between the EU and NAFTA, but I want nothing to do with the US healthcare or legal systems.


Federal vs proivincial powers. All doable.


I don't see a downiside.

Let's do this!!
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Post #13 by mayoradamwest » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:02 pm

With perimeter security and ever expanding free trade deals, we're slowly working toward a union. I don't think an official merger will ever happen, but the NAU seems almost inevitable.
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Post #14 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:02 pm

habfan4 wrote:Keep in mind that we tend to deal with sophisticated Americans with whom we do share a great deal in common. I suspect I share a lot in common with people who live in Manhattan/Chicago/San Fran etc... but not a whole fuck of alot with someone from Waco Texas.


Sure, but the US system already handles those divides. I also have a lot more in common with someone from Chicago than I do someone from Calgary or especially rural prairies, politically speaking.
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Post #15 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:03 pm

AD wrote:Federal vs orivincial powers. All doable.


I don't see a downiside.

Let's do this!!


Supreme courts aren't provincial, naners.

edit: Federal supreme courts, I mean. The provincial ones are.
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Post #16 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:05 pm

Craig wrote:Supreme courts aren't provincial, naners.

edit: Federal supreme courts, I mean. The provincial ones are.


Who cares. As long as they learn to apply the laws of the land.


Long term legal integration is a good thing.
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Post #17 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:06 pm

AD wrote:Who cares. As long as they learn to apply the laws of the land.


Long term legal integration is a good thing.


It's only a good thing if they integrate to our laws.
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Post #18 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:07 pm

AD wrote:Who cares. As long as they learn to apply the laws of the land.


Long term legal integration is a good thing.


Administration of Justice and policing in the US is a non-starter for me. No fucking way should members of the judiciary be elected ditto sheriffs.
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Post #19 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:07 pm

Craig wrote:It's only a good thing if they integrate to our laws.


The systems are dang similar if you think about them.
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Post #20 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:08 pm

habfan4 wrote:Administration of Justice and policing in the US is a non-starter for me. No fucking way should members of the judiciary be elected ditto sheriffs.


Meh. They get chosen by the ruling party here. We just look cleaner.
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Post #21 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:08 pm

AD wrote:The systems are dang similar if you think about them.


Why is their incarceration rate six times higher than ours?
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Post #22 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:10 pm

AD wrote:The systems are dang similar if you think about them.


We'd have to rewrite their Constitution or at a minimum they'd have to come to accept that it is a living document.
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Post #23 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:12 pm

Craig wrote:Why is their incarceration rate six times higher than ours?


Private for profit companies are in the game. The war on drugs keep federal money flowing to law enforcement. It only applies to brown or brownish people. Need I go on?
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Post #24 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:12 pm

Dog wrote:Because they are racist, inequalitarian, gun loving, law and order nut jobs.

We'd get cheaper flights everywhere!!!!!


We can get the cheaper flights with an amped up NAFTA.
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Post #25 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:14 pm

Dog wrote:Because they are racist, inequalitarian, gun loving, law and order nut jobs.

We'd get cheaper flights everywhere!!!!!


Yeah but you'd also have to adopt the hub and spoke system. Your direct flight from Montréal to Vancouver would now go through Charlotte or Denver (and Toronto)
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Post #26 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:14 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Yes we'd need Canada's help in ending this right wing nonsense.


I think it's quite clear that the US would benefit from this merger. I just don't see what's in it for Canada.

edit: We'll bring you the Metric system too.
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Post #27 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:15 pm

Craig wrote:I think it's quite clear that the US would benefit from this merger. I just don't see what's in it for Canada.


The money man.

The MONEY!!!!
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Post #28 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:15 pm

Dog wrote:I want the nukes, greg.

:squint:


So amp up NORAD.
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Post #29 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:16 pm

AD wrote:The money man.

The MONEY!!!!


The money comes from the amped up NAFTA I'm advocating for.
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Post #30 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:17 pm

Craig wrote:The money comes from the amped up NAFTA I'm advocating for.


Every barrier your drop is an incremental move towards expanded trade and MOAR MONÉÉÉ!!!!
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Post #31 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:17 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Yes we'd need Canada's help in ending this right wing nonsense.


The irony being that the current lunatics running our Federal government are heading in the same direction as the US prison model i.e. super jails, mandatory minimums.
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Post #32 by Cao » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:21 pm

cool, i could buy hockey sticks for less............
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Post #33 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:21 pm

Dog wrote:The money comes from 'em working like assholes.

Unlike the rest of Canada, they'd probably have a problem just giving it to Quebec so we can pay social programs no one else can afford.

We'll need to make sure transfers to Quebec are in the constitution.


I'm hoping this nonesense we have in Quebec about not exploiting resources would end with the added pressure of 300 million new citizen-neighbours.





Drill baby drill!!!!
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Post #34 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:22 pm

Ipwhen did i become so right wing doug?
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Post #35 by habfan4 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:22 pm

Cao wrote:cool, i could buy hockey sticks for less............


We sell em by the kilogram up here and you pay for them with loonies.
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Germz wrote:If the USA could at least make it easier for spouses of international students to get a work visa, that would be fucking great.


Improved high-skill immigration would be nice as well.
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Post #37 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:25 pm

AD wrote:Every barrier your drop is an incremental move towards expanded trade and MOAR MONÉÉÉ!!!!


That's what I said.
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Post #38 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:28 pm

AD wrote:The money man.

The MONEY!!!!


Won't Quebec lawyers be as useless in a North American Union as Louisiana lawyers are in the United States?
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Post #39 by Craig » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:32 pm

dempsey_k wrote:An amped up NAFTA is pretty much the EU.


Yeah. Minus the common currency.

edit: And hopefully most of the bureaucracy.
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Post #40 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:33 pm

Dog wrote:We still have 3-4 head offices in Montreal we can work for. Don't be so gloom.


Until they re-register to Delaware and forum selection clause all their contracts to the Eastern District of New York.
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Post #41 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:36 pm

senate wrote:Won't Quebec lawyers be as useless in a North American Union as Louisiana lawyers are in the United States?


I have a full fledged common law degree too.

I haven't done "Quebec law" in years.




Not to mention that I've been looking forward to moving to Raleigh or Denver for years!
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Post #42 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:38 pm

Dog wrote:It's weird, sometime in the past 4-6 months i'd say.


I found myself seriously considering voting for Harper this week.

It was only for a minute but it hapenned. I'm scared.















Help me!
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Post #43 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:58 pm

Dog wrote:Jebus. Must be the late pregnancy hormones acting up.


They're all gonna lie and waste money. Might as well have the guys who will keep their paws off my paycheck amirite!?

















Edit: Help.... Me.....
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Post #44 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:06 pm

AD wrote:I have a full fledged common law degree too.

I haven't done "Quebec law" in years.



Not to mention that I've been looking forward to moving to Raleigh or Denver for years!


I think you are greatly over-estimating the freedom of movement in the American legal community.

Most states will only have the requirement of a bar exam for out of state lawyers if that lawyer a) currently practices in a state with similar laws and b) the lawyer's state also waives the bar exam for lawyers from the state. Louisiana fails both requirements so Louisiana lawyers, even those that exclusively practice federal law in Louisiana, can't change states without retaking the bar. Quebec would be in the same situation.

The big states with the juiciest legal markets (ie New York, California, Texas, and Virginia) require everyone to retake the bar exam.

All that having a common law degree might get you is the opportunity to sit for the bar exam and that's assuming it's a JD, because I think New York is the only state that recognizes LLBs.
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Post #45 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:10 pm

Trudeau will come to power and all this madness will end. He'll throw millions at the CBC again and we will all be watching Socialist TV about subsidized farming.
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Post #46 by senate » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:17 pm

dempsey_k wrote:The bar exam is more stringent in CA because the dil weeds there allowed a ton of non-accredited schools pump out geniuses who never got above 130 on the LSAT.


And another fun fact: a lot JAG lawyers are licensed in South Carolina because that is the easiest bar exam.
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Post #47 by AD » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:51 pm

senate wrote:I think you are greatly over-estimating the freedom of movement in the American legal community.

Most states will only have the requirement of a bar exam for out of state lawyers if that lawyer a) currently practices in a state with similar laws and b) the lawyer's state also waives the bar exam for lawyers from the state. Louisiana fails both requirements so Louisiana lawyers, even those that exclusively practice federal law in Louisiana, can't change states without retaking the bar. Quebec would be in the same situation.

The big states with the juiciest legal markets (ie New York, California, Texas, and Virginia) require everyone to retake the bar exam.

All that having a common law degree might get you is the opportunity to sit for the bar exam and that's assuming it's a JD, because I think New York is the only state that recognizes LLBs.


Oh no not a bar exam :rollseyes:

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