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Post #2701 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:21 am

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Post #2702 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:57 am

Hoping you guys could weigh in on my deck situation. Our deck boards are shot. Framing is in good shape, it's all pressure treated and should have a good long life left to it. Our yard is fairly shaded and we have some mildew issues with our current deck, railing, etc. The railing is typical white PVC railing, with pressure treated 4x4 posts (in perfect condition) in PVC sleeves. Our plan is to replace just the deck boards, possibly add some blocking on the deck joists to tie it all together a bit more. Joists are 16" o/c and the existing deck boards are 5/4x6. We don't want trex, and we don't have much time to do maintenance, so we've pretty much settled on using a tropical hardwood. We will do the work ourselves, likely with the help of my brother(s), who have significant woodworking experience.

At first I was 100% sold on ipe (my uncle lives right on the water and built his dock in ipe, and it's amazing), but the cost is a tough pill to swallow. Now we're somewhat leaning toward cumaru, though I'm having a tough time pulling the trigger either way. I priced out boards from a few websites, the cheapest being advantagelumber.com, but haven't called around local lumber yards yet to see what they've got. I am positive I'll be able to find ipe locally, not sure about cumaru though. The price for the deck boards, with only 1-2 spare boards, is $6k for ipe or $4k for cumaru. Part of me feels like if cumaru lasts for 30+ years, the framing will likely be shot by then and I'll need to rebuild the deck anyway. The other part of me is thinking that if the ipe really does last for 50+ years, I could reuse those boards if/when the framing is shot. My wife and I both have good jobs, so we can afford either option, but $2k is a decent chunk of change and I'd rather not spend it pointlessly. That said, I don't want to have any regrets with my decision, and I know that ipe is a miracle wood that will hold up basically forever. I don't know enough about cumaru to be able to confidently say the same. We're going to use 316 stainless #10 deck screws (I spec tons of simpson strong-tie stuff at work so plan to use theirs) pre-drilled and countersunk. Not going to use a hidden fastener system.

What would you guys do?
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Post #2703 by MP » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:45 pm

I'd either replace the whole deck, or if I was just looking to do the decking on old joists I'd just use treated deck boards. Hardwood is a pain in the ass pre drilling everything, can't imagine pulling it up to replace joists...
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Post #2704 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:56 pm

Second question. Our fence is also shot. It's 200' long, 5' high board on board fence with 4x4 posts spaced @ 8'. I am not doing that job myself. We just got our first quote in, $7,000 with #2 white cedar, replacing the entire fence as is. Seems expensive considering the lesser grade of wood. We'll see when the second quote comes in, hopefully it's a decent amount less but I'm not confident that it will be. Is there any other option that's lower maintenance that we could go with without spending way more $?
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Post #2705 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:13 pm

MP wrote:I'd either replace the whole deck, or if I was just looking to do the decking on old joists I'd just use treated deck boards. Hardwood is a pain in the ass pre drilling everything, can't imagine pulling it up to replace joists...

The joists are in fine shape, and there's no way I'm going to go through the effort of designing a new deck, pulling permits, and building it, never mind the added expense. I'm aware that it's a lot of work to pre-drill the hardwood (and countersink the screw heads, too) but using hardwood deck boards is basically settled at this point. Even 20 years from now, unscrewing 316 stainless screws shouldn't be much of an issue, and assuming we keep the same joist spacing, we could salvage them and re-use the same screw holes.
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Post #2706 by Boring Choice #2 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:14 pm

Seems expensive to me too. I had about 140 feet of fence done in 2014 (pressure treated), including two gates for about $4500 Canadian (~$3500 US) plus taxes. Granted there is some increase and maybe they are busy due to Covid-times, but that seems a lot.
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Post #2707 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:57 pm

I am located in a pretty wealthy area in NJ, so labor is expensive. I also have 2 gates. An equivalent length fence would be $5k, plus you used pressure treated and I'm using cedar.. Maybe it's not outrageous.
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Post #2708 by Craig » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:13 pm

Something changed with pressure treated wood like 5 years ago. It used to be that ugly green, now it's this browny red, almost looks like cedar. When I did a fence a couple of years back I just went pressure treated because I liked the look.
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Post #2709 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:39 pm

I don't really care much about the look other than that I don't want pvc (mildew + no air flow) or chain link and I would like my asshole neighbor to fuck off about the state of disrepair my property is in
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Post #2710 by Craig » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Why shell out for cedar then?
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Post #2711 by R-66Y » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:46 pm

Craig wrote:Why shell out for cedar then?

From what I was reading, cedar panels with pressure treated posts should last the longest, so that's what we were going with. Is that not the case?
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Post #2712 by Craig » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:15 am

Could be, I wasn't planning on living in that place for 5 years, so I didn't bother looking into longevity. I'd be surprised if it had enough extra longevity to make up the price difference, but I'm often surprised.
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Post #2713 by MP » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:33 am

R-66Y wrote:
Craig wrote:Why shell out for cedar then?

From what I was reading, cedar panels with pressure treated posts should last the longest, so that's what we were going with. Is that not the case?

From my experience it's the posts that rot at their base first, not the panels. So I'm wondering if that should be cedar posts and PT panels? All the new fences around here have started using 6x6 posts for that reason.
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Post #2714 by Craig » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:20 am

PT posts last longer, cedar needs to stay dry so it rots in the ground.
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Post #2715 by mayoradamwest » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:16 pm

You can have my cedars If you want em.

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