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Post #10851 by chicpea » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:09 pm

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In a later tweet, Bertrand wrote, “Oh boy. Looks like releasing this unredacted was a mistake–special counsel has just re-filed this and other docs with redactions. (Kilimnik’s name is redacted, too, interestingly.)”


https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/mu ... fort-case/


I believe Kilimnik was the very chap I was asking about a few pages above. His name seemed to appear from nowhere and land in the centre.
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Post #10852 by senate » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:25 pm

CNN is taking the gloves off:

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Post #10853 by Dog » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:07 pm

I dunno how this will end well for you muricans. You’re basically two countries that can’t stand each other at this point.
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Post #10854 by jester » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:51 pm

Dog wrote:I dunno how this will end well for you muricans. You’re basically two countries that can’t stand each other at this point.


Well, a law eradicating cable news might be good ...

But, for real, a lot more unifies (all of us) than divides. We just get heated at the fault lines.
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Post #10856 by chicpea » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:28 am

The lawyer for the President of Les 'États-Unis...

"Mueller should be suspended tomorrow. Strzok should be imprisoned within a week."

That's some speedy trial, Rudolph.

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Yeah, this guy has zero authoritarian tendencies ...
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Post #10858 by Big Susf » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:11 am

Here's the long WSJ piece published today.

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‘What’s He Doing Here?’: Inside Trump’s Turbulent Relationship With Michael Cohen
At the Trump Organization, the future president appreciated lawyer’s loyalty but doubted his professional abilities and judgment; a big pay cut

Donald Trump summoned senior aides to his 26th floor office at Trump Tower around 2009 for an unpleasant task: persuade Michael Cohen —a top lawyer at his company—to resign, according to one of the aides.

Mr. Trump’s frustration had reached a breaking point, the aide said. Mr. Cohen wasn’t getting things done and Mr. Trump didn’t believe he was a good fit at the Trump Organization, even though he liked him and didn’t want to fire him. “What’s he doing here?” Mr. Trump demanded.

The message was relayed to Mr. Cohen. Visibly upset, Mr. Cohen pushed back. “I will try to prove myself,” Mr. Cohen replied, a person familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Trump eventually dropped the issue, but not before dealing another blow to Mr. Cohen by way of a big pay cut, slashing his annual income of more than $400,000 roughly in half, according to another person familiar with the matter.

The episodes, never previously reported, cast in new light the decade-long relationship between now-President Trump and Mr. Cohen. The lawyer found his niche as a fixer of some of Mr. Trump’s thornier problems, including playing the heavy with potential deal partners, and helping the real-estate developer write some of his meaner tweets.


At the same time, Mr. Trump throughout held Mr. Cohen at arm’s length. Interviews with two dozen friends and acquaintances of the two men and others familiar with their relationship suggest Mr. Trump appreciated the unswerving loyalty. But he also came to doubt Mr. Cohen’s professional abilities and judgment.

From this improbable relationship comes an extraordinary test of how far Mr. Cohen’s loyalty will stretch, and whether Mr. Trump’s treatment of Mr. Cohen over the years will come back to bite him, jeopardizing them both in the process.


Federal authorities seized millions of files from Mr. Cohen during an April raid. They’re investigating potential campaign-finance violations and bank fraud surrounding, among other deals, Mr. Cohen’s October 2016 payment to Stephanie Clifford, the former adult-film star called Stormy Daniels, to keep her from discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.

Some allies of Mr. Trump have expressed concerns that Mr. Cohen, who is shopping for a new legal team, will cooperate with investigators—a decision that one person close to Mr. Cohen said he hadn’t yet made. The outcome is likely to determine how the final chapter of the 12-year-long relationship between the two men is written.

Mr. Cohen didn’t respond to a detailed request for comment, except to write back: “Your entire set of facts, as put forth below, lack any accuracy and demonstrate you are just another member of the fake news propaganda machine.”

The White House didn’t reply to requests for comment.

The Trump-Cohen relationship began with real estate. Mr. Cohen bought an apartment in Trump World Tower, a 72-floor skyscraper near the United Nations, for a little more than $1 million in 2001, public property filings show. It was his first purchase in one of the glitzy Trump buildings and one of many by Mr. Cohen and relatives. His wife’s parents bought four other units at the same building.

Three years later, Mr. Cohen met Donald Trump Jr., Mr. Trump’s eldest son, as he sought to buy into the mogul’s newest building, Trump Park Avenue.

Messrs. Cohen and Trump Jr. hashed out the details at Geisha, a restaurant on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, said Greg Ehrlich, a friend at the time. Mr. Cohen agreed to buy and combine multiple units for just under $5 million. He and his wife closed on the apartment at 502 Park Avenue on Feb. 3, 2005. Donald Trump Jr. didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Cohen’s relationship with the elder Trump blossomed the next year, as he rallied to the developer’s side in a dispute with a condo board at Trump World Tower.

The row was over an assessment on condo owners that amounted to tens of thousands of dollars per unit. In 2003, the building’s board, then controlled by Mr. Trump, agreed to raise condo fees to pay the developer $30 million. The sum was compensation for legal fees and other expenses Mr. Trump incurred in two lawsuits against the city, including one that won the building a $94 million tax abatement.

Other condo owners bristled at the hefty fees, a former owner recalled. They gained a foothold on the board and moved to review and potentially undo the assessment.

Mr. Trump sued the owners reviewing the assessment, accusing them of squandering condo resources. He recruited Mr. Cohen and others on his side to run for the seven-member condo board, culminating in a March 2006 vote in a packed church basement next door, current and former owners recalled.

Mr. Trump jabbed at his opponents, including board member Stephen Wolf, who had been chief executive of US Airways Group Inc. before the airline filed for bankruptcy. “What does he know? He ran his airline into the ground,” Mr. Trump said from the podium with Mr. Wolf nearby, according to several attendees. Mr. Wolf declined to comment.

Mr. Cohen, who sat with Mr. Trump at the meeting, stood to make a speech in support of quashing the board’s uprising, current and former owners said. “What are we doing as a group? What are we trying to accomplish?” Mr. Cohen asked, recalled Keith Kantrowitz, who attended and still lives there.

Mr. Trump’s slate of candidates, including Mr. Cohen, won seats on the board and preserved the assessment. Mr. Trump dismissed his lawsuit against the board members, requiring two of them to resign as a condition of a confidential settlement, a person familiar with the deal said.

Mr. Cohen and his wife by then had spent about $6.8 million to buy units in three Trump buildings. In February 2007, Mr. Cohen publicly promoted Mr. Trump, telling a New York Post reporter that “Trump properties are solid investments” for him and his relatives. Mr. Trump repaid the compliment.

“Michael Cohen has a great insight into the real-estate market,” he said. “He has invested in my buildings because he likes to make money—and he does.”

Three months later, Mr. Cohen went to work at the Trump Organization, according to his LinkedIn profile.

Top executives were told that Mr. Cohen, as an involved investor in his buildings, would be Mr. Trump’s “eyes and ears” and represent his interests to condo owners, a person familiar with the matter said. He was given an office and an executive vice president title, but the precise nature of his job wasn’t clear to others in the organization, including other lawyers.

Almost immediately, Mr. Trump tapped Mr. Cohen as his point man to buy an unfinished golf course development called Running Horse in Fresno, Calif., that was enmeshed in bankruptcy proceedings.

Lawyers for the developer who controlled the project recalled Mr. Cohen trying to coax them into a deal on unfavorable terms. “I would have guessed he had been Trump’s consigliere for 30 years,” said Harry Pascuzzi, one of the lawyers.

When his entreaties didn’t work, Mr. Pascuzzi said, Mr. Cohen told him Mr. Trump wanted to offer him a job as West Coast counsel. Mr. Pascuzzi, wanting to avoid a potential conflict of interest, told Mr. Cohen he’d accept the offer after the negotiations. “No, it’s got to be right now,” he said Mr. Cohen replied, withdrawing the offer.

Mr. Cohen aggressively promoted Mr. Trump’s message with radio appearances in Fresno and visited the area with Mr. Trump. They told the media, local politicians and residents that they could turn Fresno around, while threatening to walk away and vilifying the developer and his lawyers for refusing their offers.

“No one in the world other than Mr. Trump could make this project a success,” Mr. Cohen said publicly.

He was “a little heavy handed,” said Riley Walter, a bankruptcy lawyer who worked with the developer. “It’s not the way we do [deals] here in the Central Valley of California. You don’t have to use veiled threats.”

At one meeting, Mr. Pascuzzi said, Mr. Cohen participated by speakerphone from New York when he and Mr. Trump’s California lawyers decided to break off the negotiations for a day.

Mr. Cohen blew up. “He wanted it done right then and have us concede everything we were disputing,” Mr. Pascuzzi recalled. The lawyers ignored him and walked out of the room while Mr. Cohen ranted on the speakerphone.

They eventually struck an agreement, but Mr. Trump backed out, saying the local redevelopment zone wasn’t big enough to make the deal worthwhile, Mr. Pascuzzi said.

Back at the Trump Organization, Mr. Cohen appeared “star-struck” around Mr. Trump, so intent on pleasing him that colleagues questioned his judgment, some of them said. He was secretive about the work he was doing, they said, keeping others in the legal department in the dark about his projects and, unlike most of his colleagues, locking the door to his office at Trump Tower.

Some colleagues were puzzled by Mr. Cohen’s unending—and largely unrequited—affection for Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen said Mr. Trump’s 1987 book, “The Art of the Deal,” was the only one he had ever read twice.

He helped negotiate several high-profile Trump deals, including a 2008 branding pact between Mr. Trump and Affliction Entertainment, a clothing line that branched into fight promotion. Thomas Atencio, Affliction’s former vice president, recalled having lunch with Mr. Cohen, who acted as Mr. Trump’s lawyer, a few times during the negotiations.

It didn’t take long for Mr. Trump to grow skeptical of Mr. Cohen’s legal skills, people close to the company said. He doled out projects he had previously assigned to Mr. Cohen to others, the people said.

Mr. Trump routinely asked other lawyers to review documents Mr. Cohen drafted. “Why does someone else have to look at my work?” a former colleague said Mr. Cohen asked.

For a while, Mr. Cohen seemed on track to lead several Trump projects in the former Soviet Union. One brought in $1 million in the beginning stages of a licensing deal. But the effort later petered out.

He frequently battled Mr. Trump’s enemies. He killed a magazine story in mid-2011 about an alleged sexual encounter between Mr. Trump and Ms. Clifford, by threatening to sue Bauer Publishing. A few months later, after Ms. Clifford’s agent leaked the story to a gossip website, Bauer published a story anyway.

Not realizing the magazine had already gone to press, Mr. Cohen warned Bauer’s general counsel again in an email that unless he removed the “unsubstantiated” story, Mr. Trump “shall avail himself of every available remedy,” warning: “Guide yourself accordingly.” Mr. Trump didn’t sue.

One of Mr. Cohen’s roles was to tell outside lawyers Mr. Trump wasn’t going to pay them the amount they were seeking for billed services, according to several people who worked at the Trump Organization or were outside counsel for the company.

In 2011, he interceded after a Virginia lawyer, David Hopper, refused a request from Eric Trump, one of Mr. Trump’s sons, to reduce fees he was charging the Trump Organization by 70% for representation in a case involving a Trump family winery.

Mr. Hopper’s firm had said it would withdraw from the case, according to legal filings.

Later, Mr. Hopper got a call from Mr. Cohen, whom he’d never heard from before, a person familiar with the matter said. Mr. Cohen, friendly at first, asked the firm not to withdraw while still accepting the lower fees, according to a legal filing by Mr. Hopper. When Mr. Hopper refused, Mr. Cohen warned him that the firm should expect very bad publicity unless it reconsidered, according to the filing.

The Trump Organization denied in court filings Mr. Cohen had said this. Later that day, then-Trump General Counsel Jason Greenblatt told Virginia Lawyers’ Weekly that Mr. Hopper’s work was “shoddy” and at times had to be redone. Mr. Hopper sued his onetime client in federal court alleging defamation and breach of contract. The parties settled, drafting a statement that the Trump Organization “appreciated” Mr. Hopper’s services.

Other days, Mr. Cohen spent time in Mr. Trump’s office helping his boss compose nasty tweets about talk show host Rosie O’Donnell, with whom Mr. Trump was engaged in a Twitter war, Mr. Cohen later told a colleague. Mr. Trump’s tweets included calling Ms. O’Donnell “an ass” and “a true loser.”

Mr. Cohen later told a colleague those were his “glory days” because he felt particularly close to Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen has credited himself as an originator of Mr. Trump’s run for president. In an interview last year, he said he had shown Mr. Trump a magazine article in October 2010 referencing a poll about the idea of a Trump presidency.

Mr. Cohen and several New York lobbyists set up a website, ShouldTrumpRun.com. He visited Iowa a few months later to explore a campaign.

The effort seemed to help reinvigorate Mr. Cohen’s standing with his boss. “He found his sweet spot again,” said one former associate. In early 2011, Mr. Trump tweeted: “The people at shouldtrumprun.com have got it right!”

Mr. Trump didn’t run, but the seeds were sown for the announcement of his candidacy in June 2015. Mr. Cohen didn’t officially join the campaign.

Instead, he stayed in his job, launching another failed attempt at a Trump-branded overseas tower, in Moscow. That deal later came under investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and in congressional committees examining whether Trump associates colluded with Russia’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 campaign. Mr. Trump has denied collusion, and Moscow has denied election meddling.

Mr. Cohen got Mr. Trump’s signature on a nonbinding letter of intent in October 2015, going outside the chain of command in the legal department, according to a former colleague of Mr. Cohen.

The deal fell through, despite Mr. Cohen’s last-ditch effort in January 2016 to salvage it with an email to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, according to documents submitted to Congress. Mr. Cohen said he didn’t recall receiving a response, and the Kremlin spokesman said he didn’t show the email to Mr. Putin.

As the 2016 presidential campaign heated up, Mr. Cohen acted as a surrogate for Mr. Trump on television and handled problems, including making a $130,000 hush payment to Ms. Clifford the month before the election after she and her manager had again shopped the story of an alleged affair with Mr. Trump to news outlets.

Two months after Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Cohen announced he was leaving the Trump Organization to serve as the president’s personal attorney.

Last fall, Mr. Cohen sold his Trump World Tower apartment, netting a $2 million profit. He remained on the condo board for a time and ran for re-election this month. But questions arose about his eligibility for the position, given that he no longer owned an apartment there. A Trump Organization spokeswoman said Mr. Cohen recently resigned.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-he-d ... 1529061564
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Post #10860 by jester » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:27 am

Susf wrote:https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1007612226239455232

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This fucking guy.
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Post #10862 by PredsFan77 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:55 am

Manafort going to be the James McCord of this isn't he?
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Post #10863 by Big Susf » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:18 pm

One good thing to come out of this is the deliciousness of the faux-outrage on social media. Fonzie's going down too. AYY!
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Post #10864 by Germz » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:31 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... it/562934/

I don't always agree with Beinart, but this is more or less how I feel about the North Korea summit.
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Post #10865 by Dog » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:27 pm

Germz wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/trump-kim-jong-un-summit/562934/

I don't always agree with Beinart, but this is more or less how I feel about the North Korea summit.


I don’t agree. The summit seems to have been badly planned and very little thought put into strategy. The chances for it to lead to failure appear high. Considering the personal capital Trump put on the line (by boasting, basically), we’ll find ourselves with post failure risks being worse than pre.

So, basically, discussion is good. However, badly planned discussion where you paint yourself into a corner and have little room to maneuver if things don’t go all for the best is bad.

This is likely to fail and failure leads to a worse position than before -mostly because this was managed idiotically.

But, hey, if the russian roulette he’s playing pays out, that’s great.
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Post #10866 by chicpea » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:04 pm

Fellows, I need more analysis of events. I'm on the move today.
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Post #10867 by chicpea » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:06 am

“Shinzo, you don’t have this problem, but I can send you 25 million Mexicans and you’ll be out of office very soon,” Trump said, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing a senior EU official who was in the room.
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Dog wrote:
Germz wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/trump-kim-jong-un-summit/562934/

I don't always agree with Beinart, but this is more or less how I feel about the North Korea summit.


I don’t agree. The summit seems to have been badly planned and very little thought put into strategy. The chances for it to lead to failure appear high. Considering the personal capital Trump put on the line (by boasting, basically), we’ll find ourselves with post failure risks being worse than pre.

So, basically, discussion is good. However, badly planned discussion where you paint yourself into a corner and have little room to maneuver if things don’t go all for the best is bad.

This is likely to fail and failure leads to a worse position than before -mostly because this was managed idiotically.

But, hey, if the russian roulette he’s playing pays out, that’s great.


But you said nuclear holocaust was about to happen, super dangerous situation... just like the librul press. No connection, free mind and stuff..

also: LOCK HER UP

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Post #10869 by Big Susf » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:02 am

chicpea wrote:Fellows, I need more analysis of events. I'm on the move today.


Manafort going to the slammer.

Watergate prosecutor says Manafort may never again 'see the outside of a jail cell'
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... in-see-the

US expected to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council: report
http://thehill.com/policy/international ... cil-report (Saudi Arabia "heads" it so.)

China announces retaliatory tariffs on $34 billion worth of US goods, including agriculture products
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/15/china-a ... ducts.html

U.S. prosecutors pull encrypted messages from phones seized in Cohen raids
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1JB2V3
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Post #10870 by Dog » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:42 am

Susf wrote:
chicpea wrote:Fellows, I need more analysis of events. I'm on the move today.


Manafort going to the slammer.

Watergate prosecutor says Manafort may never again 'see the outside of a jail cell'
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... in-see-the

US expected to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council: report
http://thehill.com/policy/international ... cil-report (Saudi Arabia "heads" it so.)

China announces retaliatory tariffs on $34 billion worth of US goods, including agriculture products
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/15/china-a ... ducts.html

U.S. prosecutors pull encrypted messages from phones seized in Cohen raids
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1JB2V3


What a time....


To be alive, folks!

Really, just a normal day. No more eventful than the norm for the past 2 years.
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Post #10871 by jester » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:57 am

When this all (hopefully) blows over, at least we will have born witness to the crazy.
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Post #10872 by mcphee » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:06 pm

jester wrote:When this all (hopefully) blows over, at least we will have born witness to the crazy.

When all this blows over ? Don't think it's happening J. None of the old norms apply anymore. I can hear Howard Cossell yelling 'It's over'.
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Post #10873 by Dog » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:09 pm

mcphee wrote:I can hear Howard Cossell yelling 'It's over'.


Worisome. Don't go towards the light, mcphee. It's a trap!
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Post #10874 by jester » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:06 pm

mcphee wrote:
jester wrote:When this all (hopefully) blows over, at least we will have born witness to the crazy.

When all this blows over ? Don't think it's happening J. None of the old norms apply anymore. I can hear Howard Cossell yelling 'It's over'.


We have a tendency to overstate the influence of the moment over the longer term. In 2004, we were on the cusp of GOP dominated era ... in 2008, Obama ushered in a new progressive era of young voter influence ...

Color me skeptical that the Trump moment is a given as a revolutionary turn. That is not to say that things are changing, just that I suspect a reversion will follow. For example, in the wake of Trump it's easy to imagine a reassertion and some degree of formalizing norms that had previously been informal (e.g., candidates forced to release tax records by law ...).
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Post #10875 by Craig » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:11 pm

After Obama was elected the refrain was the GOP had to go younger and more inclusive to immigrants of they ever wanted a shot at the presidency again.
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Post #10876 by Dog » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:03 pm

Why must the future be such a bitch to predict.

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Post #10877 by mcphee » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:05 pm

jester wrote:
mcphee wrote:
jester wrote:When this all (hopefully) blows over, at least we will have born witness to the crazy.

When all this blows over ? Don't think it's happening J. None of the old norms apply anymore. I can hear Howard Cossell yelling 'It's over'.


We have a tendency to overstate the influence of the moment over the longer term. In 2004, we were on the cusp of GOP dominated era ... in 2008, Obama ushered in a new progressive era of young voter influence ...

Color me skeptical that the Trump moment is a given as a revolutionary turn. That is not to say that things are changing, just that I suspect a reversion will follow. For example, in the wake of Trump it's easy to imagine a reassertion and some degree of formalizing norms that had previously been informal (e.g., candidates forced to release tax records by law ...).

I see a disdain for the idea of being a nation of laws. We like to think that citizens would rise up if gov't dealt with constitutions as a convenience or inconvenience , but the last few years are proving that a good salesman can sell anything.
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Post #10878 by jester » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:29 pm

mcphee wrote:
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mcphee wrote:When all this blows over ? Don't think it's happening J. None of the old norms apply anymore. I can hear Howard Cossell yelling 'It's over'.


We have a tendency to overstate the influence of the moment over the longer term. In 2004, we were on the cusp of GOP dominated era ... in 2008, Obama ushered in a new progressive era of young voter influence ...

Color me skeptical that the Trump moment is a given as a revolutionary turn. That is not to say that things are changing, just that I suspect a reversion will follow. For example, in the wake of Trump it's easy to imagine a reassertion and some degree of formalizing norms that had previously been informal (e.g., candidates forced to release tax records by law ...).

I see a disdain for the idea of being a nation of laws. We like to think that citizens would rise up if gov't dealt with constitutions as a convenience or inconvenience , but the last few years are proving that a good salesman can sell anything.


A good salesman and a receptive audience. The salesman part has always been true ... this receptive audience is about to lose its stranglehold on the electorate.
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Post #10879 by chicpea » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:37 pm

I hadn't considered this angle.

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Post #10880 by chicpea » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:39 pm

Slick Nick wrote:
I'm not going through all of your points pea..


That's one option, yes.
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Post #10881 by mcphee » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:38 pm

chicpea wrote:I hadn't considered this angle.


Are his kids in their 40’s ?
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Post #10882 by PredsFan77 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:40 pm

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Post #10883 by AD » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:33 pm

Dog wrote:Why must the future be such a bitch to predict.

:why:


Que sera sera.
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Post #10885 by chicpea » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:13 am

jester wrote:When this all (hopefully) blows over, at least we will have born witness to the crazy.


To be cognizant of an historical era enveloping you.
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Post #10886 by Big Susf » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:55 am

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent.

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said.


Stone and Caputo, who did not previously disclose the meeting to congressional investigators, now say they believe they were the targets of a setup by U.S. law enforcement officials hostile to Trump.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 0b1d2f6d44
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Post #10887 by mooseOAK » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:24 pm

“The meeting with Stone reportedly took place a few weeks after former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos was told about Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton and two weeks before senior members of the Trump campaign met with Russian nationals -- including a lawyer with ties to the Kremlin -- in Trump Tower.”

Which would make for a very elaborate conspiracy.
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Post #10888 by chicpea » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:52 pm

I've read the article about the Cohen cell phone. I would say he is fucked on several levels. Fuck him.
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Post #10889 by jester » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:40 pm

jester wrote:
Retardé S wrote:
Dog wrote:Still, we gotta address this autocratic style matcho mens nonesense that’s sweeping the West, Nick.


I think you really exaggerate what's going on in the west in regards to the neoconservative platform. You too easily conflate fascism with nationalism and patriotism. As far as I'm concerned there's more of a totalitarian threat coming from the left than fascism from the right. And the refusal to even entertain the thought of it can indeed cause broken societies, broken mens and womens and in the end tyranny, the tyranny you're so afraid of. Trump has a strong belief of "America first" wether that benefits his country in the end or not, I just don't see where the fascism terror comes from. There's currently an ongoing shift in culture, so there's hope that people finally judge others as individuals rather than judge their ideas based on their superficial identity in a power hierarchy based on race/gender/sexual orientation/social status ect.

I feel like the notion of individualism was way more prevalent when growing up, but the last decade or so we've seen it transform into collective identity tribalism and an attack on freedom of speech perpetrated by leftist entities in the west that in turns affects our way of dealing with great issues. Then in turn the anger of the people brings us Trumps, Le Pens and if culture and government marginalizes a big chunk of society, it will potentially create extremely chaotic consequences. That would also happen if we'd live in a society where even moderate liberal ideas and stances would be ungenuinely misconstrued and made taboo.

That's what leads me to believe it's not all really about politics, but more about humans' inability to cope with the outside world. (technology?)


Ah ... fascism is defined by authoritarian nationalism. And there's definitely a rise in groups pushing ethno-nationalist arguments on both sides of the Atlantic. So, yeah ....


http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/ ... ssion=true
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Post #10890 by Germz » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:37 pm

This may be most monstrous tweet in history.

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Post #10891 by mayoradamwest » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:11 pm

The taking children from their parents for domestic political gain version of "stop hitting yourself..."
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Post #10892 by senate » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:22 pm

Germz wrote:This may be most monstrous tweet in history.



I share your anger at the lack of an Oxford comma. It is one thing to ignore the Bill of Rights; it is quite another to trample on America's most sacred document, the Chicago Manual of Style.
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Post #10893 by mayoradamwest » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:24 pm

Might not be for political gain I suppose... Melanie hates it, so it could be foreplay?
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Post #10894 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:59 pm

Of course.



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Post #10895 by Big Susf » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:50 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Of course.





I really hope that's from being an ex Firefighter or something with kinda like a Maltese cross. Jesus, if not. :facepalm:
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Post #10898 by Dog » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:20 am

What a retard.
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Post #10899 by Craig » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:31 pm

Dog wrote:What a retard.


This isn't retarded, it's evil. There's a pretty big difference.
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Post #10900 by Dog » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 pm

Craig wrote:
Dog wrote:What a retard.


This isn't retarded, it's evil. There's a pretty big difference.


It’s both. Doubling down on this, with that narrative, is not going to work in his favour. But, all he knows is how to dig in deeper.

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