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Post #20151 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:11 pm

Rowdy Tellez with an RBI double in his first MLB at bat. Never doubted Rowdy.
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Post #20152 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:58 pm

After watching his post-game interview, that double goes down in the books along with Johnny Macs fathers day dinger.
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Post #20153 by paulster » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:00 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Why are pitchers so brittle nowadays?


Increased pressure to perform early on, too much rotation and velocity and volume at young ages while the body is still growing. That's my guess, anyway.
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Post #20154 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:22 pm

Ohtani is getting TJ, and they announced it this afternoon. Tonight he hit a dinger.
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Post #20155 by Dynrehab » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:30 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Why are pitchers so brittle nowadays?


They always were. It was just after TJ you became a knuckleballer or retired. So you never heard about the minor leaguers who ”busted”.

The only guys who survived were the ones who didn’t break down.
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Post #20156 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:50 am

Dynrehab wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Why are pitchers so brittle nowadays?


They always were. It was just after TJ you became a knuckleballer or retired. So you never heard about the minor leaguers who ”busted”.

The only guys who survived were the ones who didn’t break down.


Where are they.
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Post #20157 by mayoradamwest » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:35 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
Dynrehab wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Why are pitchers so brittle nowadays?


They always were. It was just after TJ you became a knuckleballer or retired. So you never heard about the minor leaguers who ”busted”.

The only guys who survived were the ones who didn’t break down.


Where are they.


Coaching high school sports under the title of "guidance counsellor."
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Post #20158 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:12 am

Rowdy 4/5, all four are XBH's. First player in forever to do so.
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Post #20159 by LeafOfBread » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:02 am



For additional context his mom died from cancer recently. Touching moment
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Post #20160 by PPJ » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:07 pm

So how much compensation do the jays have to send the Mets to take Shapiro?
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Post #20161 by clawfirst » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:36 pm

6 million....




Too soon?
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Post #20162 by clawfirst » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:37 pm

Its ownership though not the cheap whore they hired
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Post #20163 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:22 pm

TSN: Shapiro says relationship with ownership is strong


Been nice knowing you, buddy.
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Post #20165 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:35 am

Transplanted Caper wrote:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-john-gibbons-facing-his-last-rodeo-as-blue-jays-skipper/


I saw your link, thinking it was Cathal Kelly....
Suspicions confirmed.
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Post #20166 by vf » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:09 am

Gibby doesn't want to work through a rebuild. I don't understand the drama surrounding this.
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Post #20167 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:36 pm

vf wrote:Gibby doesn't want to work through a rebuild. I don't understand the drama surrounding this.


It's just clickbaiters trying to fan the embers in hopes it creates a fire.
All of the more transparent sports media ppl like the TSN overdrive crew don't even treat it as a story.
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Post #20168 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:06 pm

SRF has been unreal today. Still walks too much, but his fastball location early in counts is fantastic. Hes growing/learning. He just made cutch and stanton look like theyre swinging a pool noodle.
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Post #20169 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:27 pm

He will be like Sanchez. Tantalizing talent with no control
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Post #20170 by Vector » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:41 am

Note: I am employed again!
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Post #20171 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:19 am

Sanchez is a poor comparable, SRF actually induces swinging strikes and doesnt have the same GB rates. His command is a work in progress, but still probably better than Sanchez.
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Post #20172 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:31 am

Tantalizing skill + no control. Perfect comparable. All that other shit you listed is whatever.

Also, love denting the Yankees home field advantage.
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Post #20173 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:05 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Tantalizing skill + no control. Perfect comparable. All that other shit you listed is whatever.

Also, love denting the Yankees home field advantage.


Like I said, stupid comparison, SRF had better walk rates than Sanchez in the minors too.
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Post #20174 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:21 pm

Looks like Lourdes is gonna work.
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Post #20175 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:58 am

Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.
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Post #20176 by mayoradamwest » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:05 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.


Too soon to say that. He looked rough in periods near his injuries. If he can stay healthy an entire year (and be given a position) we shouldn't rule out better numbers yet.
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Post #20177 by mcphee » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:36 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.


Too soon to say that. He looked rough in periods near his injuries. If he can stay healthy an entire year (and be given a position) we shouldn't rule out better numbers yet.

He's got one of those live bats. Ball seems to really jump off of it. He's reminds me of a young Manny Trillo.
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Post #20178 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:01 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.


As a super utility he's fine. Rowdy is lookin' good too.

Bichette-Guerrero-Rowdy
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Post #20179 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:21 am

mayoradamwest wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.


Too soon to say that. He looked rough in periods near his injuries. If he can stay healthy an entire year (and be given a position) we shouldn't rule out better numbers yet.


Maybe the defensive numbers improve in a larger sample, but he has been a high contact and low walk rate player his entire career. Barring a spike in his ISO or BABIP I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than he has given us this year, which is useful in a utility player, but nothing special.
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Post #20180 by Vector » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:31 pm

Pretty much. He profiles as a Marwin Gonzalez-type. There some volatility with that approach too where he can hit himself into a great season and into a bad season.
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Post #20181 by mayoradamwest » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:46 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
mayoradamwest wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Sub .320 OBP with below average defense, and solid baserunning and contact skills is probably worth 1-2 WAR.


Too soon to say that. He looked rough in periods near his injuries. If he can stay healthy an entire year (and be given a position) we shouldn't rule out better numbers yet.


Maybe the defensive numbers improve in a larger sample, but he has been a high contact and low walk rate player his entire career. Barring a spike in his ISO or BABIP I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than he has given us this year, which is useful in a utility player, but nothing special.


Entire career?
2017- first year in north america playing
2018- multiple levels, multiple injuries.

Give it time.
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Post #20182 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:19 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
mayoradamwest wrote:
Too soon to say that. He looked rough in periods near his injuries. If he can stay healthy an entire year (and be given a position) we shouldn't rule out better numbers yet.


Maybe the defensive numbers improve in a larger sample, but he has been a high contact and low walk rate player his entire career. Barring a spike in his ISO or BABIP I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than he has given us this year, which is useful in a utility player, but nothing special.


Entire career?
2017- first year in north america playing
2018- multiple levels, multiple injuries.

Give it time.


You know he was a pro in Cuba too right?
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Post #20183 by vf » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:50 pm

Is that the league he was playing in where he drew almost as many walks as strikeouts?
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Post #20184 by mayoradamwest » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:26 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
mayoradamwest wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Maybe the defensive numbers improve in a larger sample, but he has been a high contact and low walk rate player his entire career. Barring a spike in his ISO or BABIP I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than he has given us this year, which is useful in a utility player, but nothing special.


Entire career?
2017- first year in north america playing
2018- multiple levels, multiple injuries.

Give it time.


You know he was a pro in Cuba too right?


You know his numbers there do not fit your argument right?
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Post #20185 by mayoradamwest » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:40 pm

In other news, the return on ken giles will be better than the return on donaldson.
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Post #20186 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:59 pm

I was wrong, I thought his walk rates were worst in Cuba.
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Post #20187 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:28 pm



This is pathetic.
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Post #20188 by LeafOfBread » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:12 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1044650782669361152

This is pathetic.

Lmfao. This whole thing was handled horribly.
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Post #20189 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:15 pm

He was never going to see jail. The elites live a different life than the rest of us. I'd have been in jail for it.
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Post #20190 by Vector » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:07 pm

Mother of his child refused to testify and moved to Mexico. Essentially if she wouldn't cooperate then there is very little that can be done. She probably figured he's their meal ticket and destroying his career would greatly diminish her and their kid's quality of life too much.
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Post #20191 by paulster » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:40 am

Vector wrote:Mother of his child refused to testify and moved to Mexico. Essentially if she wouldn't cooperate then there is very little that can be done. She probably figured he's their meal ticket and destroying his career would greatly diminish her and their kid's quality of life too much.


So basically she decided it's worth getting physically abused for the "security" of her and her child's financial well being?

This kind of thing is just so, so sad.
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Post #20192 by Craig » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:30 am

paulster wrote:
Vector wrote:Mother of his child refused to testify and moved to Mexico. Essentially if she wouldn't cooperate then there is very little that can be done. She probably figured he's their meal ticket and destroying his career would greatly diminish her and their kid's quality of life too much.


So basically she decided it's worth getting physically abused for the "security" of her and her child's financial well being?

This kind of thing is just so, so sad.


She decided, after being abused, that the security of her and her child's financial wellbeing was worth not seeing the perpetrator punished in a court of law. It's really not that unreasonable.

Although you'd think she could have just filed a civil suit and taken all his money and been set anyway.
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Post #20193 by paulster » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:04 am

Craig wrote:
paulster wrote:
Vector wrote:Mother of his child refused to testify and moved to Mexico. Essentially if she wouldn't cooperate then there is very little that can be done. She probably figured he's their meal ticket and destroying his career would greatly diminish her and their kid's quality of life too much.


So basically she decided it's worth getting physically abused for the "security" of her and her child's financial well being?

This kind of thing is just so, so sad.


She decided, after being abused, that the security of her and her child's financial wellbeing was worth not seeing the perpetrator punished in a court of law. It's really not that unreasonable.

Although you'd think she could have just filed a civil suit and taken all his money and been set anyway.


It is not unreasonable. It is sad.
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Post #20194 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:09 am

Maybe she couldn't refuse an offer to return home to Mexico. :smuglanne:
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #20195 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:29 pm

Gibby officially not coming back next season. Had a press conference just now. I hope he tips a cap to the crowd. Last home game.
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Post #20196 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:56 pm



So, unbelievably yes.
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Post #20197 by vf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:52 pm

It's too bad about Gibby, but it's his call so him getting to go out how he chooses is pretty cool.
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Post #20198 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:31 pm

After listening to the presser I'm not so sure it was his call. He said he wants to keep managing, and Atkins said that they felt like they needed a new voice. Sounds more like a firing disguised as a mutual parting tbh.
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Post #20199 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:07 pm

Yeah, and Shatkins stink. Gibby can go with his head held high my dudes.
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Post #20200 by vf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:22 pm

Gibby said over a month ago he wasn't so sure he was interested in managing through a rebuild.

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