You're an incumbent PM in an election year, JT. Show some goddamn backbone.

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Post #3601 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:32 pm

It's funny how worked up the Saudis are on twitter right now. They're responding to every critical tweet - by any Canadian with a decent number of followers - by saying stuff like "oh yeah? what about all of those indigenous women you've mistreated???"

One of them was claiming that 30% of Canadians are living in poverty, which I guess means their shitty empire is free from criticism or somethang
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Post #3602 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:34 pm

If Trudeau doesn't pull down his pants, hang his head in shame and beg for forgiveness I will be very impressed.
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Post #3603 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:37 pm

lmao buncha dumb cunts

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Post #3604 by shredz » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:38 pm

The Saudi's are sick. By the threat of interfering in Ottawa's affairs, I suspect they mean another case of mental illness, I mean Jihad, hitting the streets of Toronto. They made the same threats to Putin ahead of Sochi Olympics. They are quick to show their true faces when riled up.
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Vive le Québec libre!
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Post #3607 by AD » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:26 am

That.
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Post #3608 by AD » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:58 am

Schtick is eternal.

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Post #3609 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:30 pm

As if we didn't already know.

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Post #3610 by senate » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:57 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:As if we didn't already know.



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Post #3611 by AD » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:57 pm

what is infographic ksa?

Edit:

Infographic ksa is a voluntary non-profit project. It is managed by a group of Saudi youth who are interested in technology and social media Facts backed by numbers & evidence; all of which could be found here.
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Post #3612 by chicpea » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:21 pm

I only fly Porter in Toronto anyway.
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Post #3613 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:09 am

Political games.

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Post #3615 by shredz » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:14 am

hahaha

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Where in the plot does that orb fit?
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Post #3618 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:14 pm

Interesting times. Does it ever hit you sometimes that we live in the middle ages and just don't realize it?
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Post #3619 by senate » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:45 pm

Why is Dog afraid of the word Homo?
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Dog wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Interesting times. Does it ever hit you sometimes that we live in the middle ages and just don't realize it?


Middle of what?


Between Jesus and Star Trek.
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Dog wrote:But seriously, I tend to think we’re in a times of geopolitical transition from the post cold war world of a sole superpower into a more multipolar world.


Whatever you say, Putinbot.
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Dog wrote:But seriously, I tend to think we’re in a times of geopolitical transition from the post cold war world of a sole superpower into a more multipolar world. Transition times can be wacky.


All the money I invested training Saudi youths to run scratch n win scams has vaporized overnight.
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Post #3624 by mayoradamwest » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:09 pm

The USA doing nothing is rather fitting ...
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Post #3625 by chicpea » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:32 pm

Ernst Zendell. Okay. Fucking idiots.
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Post #3626 by Germz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:29 pm

Kind of nice to piss off the Saudis. Being their friends has always felt shitty. Now we have even more moral superiority vis-a-vis the USA.

Fuck 'em, you know?
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Post #3627 by Germz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:41 pm

Dog wrote:Will you hold me when the US-Saudi-Israli alliance invades us to install a puppet governement (headed by Harper), Germz?


Sorry, I'll have died on the battlefield.
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Germz wrote:
Dog wrote:Will you hold me when the US-Saudi-Israli alliance invades us to install a puppet governement (headed by Harper), Germz?


Sorry, I'll have died on the battlefield.


On which side?

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Dog wrote:
Germz wrote:Kind of nice to piss off the Saudis. Being their friends has always felt shitty. Now we have even more moral superiority vis-a-vis the USA.

Fuck 'em, you know?


Will you hold me when the US-Saudi-Israli alliance invades us to install a puppet governement (headed by Harper), Germz?


It might solve the Middle East problem. Give Canada to the Jews as their new homeland (move their 2000 year old temples and such) and let the Muslims reclaim their sliver of land south of Lebanon. Let the Jews annihilate the native population and the Frenchies while redistributing the Anglos to the south and the United Kingdom. They already have Montreal as their capital city. And they can enjoy as many bagels as they can stomach, or teach the locals to make them properly.
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Post #3630 by AD » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:12 pm

Liberal Shia axis vs ethno-nationalist sunni jews.
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#TeamShia



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Post #3632 by AD » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Good. Good... join us.
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China?
Russia is with us that I know.
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Wait... when you say us... who do you mean?
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Post #3635 by Slick Nick » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:40 pm

Dog wrote:
AD wrote:Liberal Shia axis vs ethno-nationalist sunni jews.


Pretty sure Germany will be on our side this time. China too.

Authoritarian-Liberal-Shias vs Ethno-Nationalist-Fundamentalist-Sunni-Jews.


When was the last time Germany was on the winning side?

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Dog wrote:Franco-Prussian war?

:dunno:


And where's the Prussian capital city now?

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Dog wrote:Russia? Russia is with them. Ethno-Nationalist-Matcho appeal > old alliances. We’re with the subversive american deep state, working the resistance from the inside.


Uhm. No. Russia is with us. Iran. Syrian gov't. Hizb'Allah.

Us.
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Post #3638 by Slick Nick » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:12 pm

Why would China be on your side?

Turkey and Pakistan changed sides... you're in bad shape doggo.
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Post #3639 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:35 pm

Russia is with anyone who will so much as smile at them.
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Post #3640 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:37 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:The USA doing nothing is rather fitting ...


The whole of Europe is staying out of it too. The Trump presidency has done a lot to expose neoliberal alliances for what they are.
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Post #3641 by chicpea » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:07 pm

I am perfectly happy with no one's support. We are right. Let them cower.
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chicpea wrote:I am perfectly happy with no one's support. We are right. Let them cower.


You're rarely wrong when attacking a straw man.
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Post #3643 by chicpea » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:03 am

xong!
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Post #3644 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:34 am

Sad but true.

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Post #3645 by chicpea » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:52 am

They killed about 40 more kids yesterday. For perspective.
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Post #3646 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:09 pm

Dog wrote:I think that may or may not be true.

Canada’s tweet was par for the course. It’s what Western govs do. Do business with the Saudis but every once in a while pay lip service to human rights. Same as with China and others. Heck, UK foreign office issued a similarly worded statement on Saudi human rights just yesterday. Saudis just seem to be irrational. The brash prince’s outsized ego picking weird fights where he thinks he can. Yemen, Qatar, Lebannon. Foreign policy based on bluster.

Another possible version (its opaque to us) is that the Trudeau gov may not have returned elevators on the Saudis 15b “investment”. Saudis buy influence by spreading money around and would have expected some love and deeper ties with the 15b order. The Libs may have been cooler than others to the Saudis, prompting them to being already pissed at Canada. In that sense, Canada would have some “credit”. Hard to know exactly to what extent Canada differed from other Western gov in their relations with the Saudis, if indeed there was any difference. They pulled their ambassadors from Sweeden and Germany too over “normal” criticism.

Anywho, this is all quite immaterial at least on face value. Canada-Saudi trade is negligeable. We’re far away from one another. Both middle powers that can’t really do anything more than annoy one another.

What I find to be much more important is that I think this is a consequence of Trump’s transactional view of international relations and natural affinity towards authoritarians. Had he not so clearly shown his disdain for Western alliances, they would have checked their response.

It’s not that it matters in this case, it’s that it signals a new world order. One of American pullback and retrenchment, leading other powers to rush in to take the space. That, of course, leads to considerably more global instability. A realignment where different actors will brush up to one another and test their relative strenght.


I fell asleep halfway through this fascinating post.
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Post #3647 by Germz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:23 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:I fell asleep halfway through this fascinating post.


You'll be a great graduate supervisor one day, doc.
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Post #3648 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:20 pm

Follow the money.

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Post #3649 by chicpea » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:58 pm

Maxime Bernier cannot fit any more dog whistles in his sexy mouth.
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