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Post #1301 by stoney » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:17 am

Moore was a positive on the score sheet, but other than that as a rationale , I don't get it.

He had the most offensive zone faceoffs on the team, all 5v5, and hummed along at 29%. Leo lost one at 5v5 as well.

In a home game, where he only played 9 mins at ES, how can it be justified that the 4th line receives 30% of the O-zone draw opportunities?

Seems like I'm hunting down ways to question the coach, but when your 4th line C is getting pounded in faceoffs and it always seems to be in the opposition end, it's noticed.

Kapanen - Komarov - Leivo. Give the kid a shot, let Moore sit and stew. If Moore isn't a primary PK guy, he doesn't really have a role (the Kapanen excuse for holding him back).
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Post #1302 by Whit Dickman » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:01 pm

Babs might want speed on the 4th line. But I'm done with ya stonerzy
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Post #1303 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:23 pm

Kapanen can create offence, that line currently has no natural finishers. Put me down for Kapanen using his speed to push back defenders followed by a quick stop up and hitting Leivo as the trailer multiple times a night please. Leo does the Hyman work on that line with puck recovery.
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Post #1304 by Honus Joglund » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:30 pm

Corsi legend Brendan Smith on waivers 50 games into his brand new 4 year/$17.4 million contract. :rudy:

The Rangers also gave up 2nd and 3rd round picks for him at the deadline last year.
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Post #1305 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:36 pm

He had a really good 2015-16. 2016-17 and 2014-2015 are very similar and then this year he's slipped (or more likely, he had that one good season and he's returned somewhat to his "normal" but is underperforming.). His CF% Rel is still positive but his xGF% Rel is negative.

Looking at his relative possession stats, he's not too much different than Borgman this year. Looking at the zone stats Borgman is much better at exits and entries but a bit worse than Smith at preventing entries. Borgman's offense is much better than Smith's. Or looking at Hainsey, Smith comes out better on zone stats, nearly identical in xGF% Rel and a bit worse in CF% Rel while playing easier minutes.

You could do a whole lot worse than Smith for a 3rd pairing guy and if he has the right partner he might not be a bad option as a #4. I wouldn't want to pay that much for him though, guys with stats like his seem to be available quite regularly (see Marincin, Martin or Davidson, Brandon).
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Post #1306 by Curry Rage » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:48 am

I'll just be glad when the deadline passes and the loud *shoulda* arguments become quieter *woulda* arguments and Bozak, JVR and Komarov are still on the roster. Don't really care what they do with Leivo or Sosh. Both are nice players but eminently replaceable.

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Post #1307 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:52 am

Its exciting to think how a JT or a Weber could help elevate this team to true contender status. Strike while the iron is hot.
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Post #1308 by Curry Rage » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:56 am

Why would either JT or NYI want to end their partnership? Why would JT want to lose his position as undisputed alpha?
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Post #1309 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:01 am

I'm sure the Islanders are desperate to re sign him but maybe reality is JT wants to move on from that farce of a franchise?

More realistic targets would be Jenner and maybe Byron.
We could use Jenner's phusical edge. Byron and Kappanen on the fourth line and PK would be a great thing to watch.
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Post #1310 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:59 am

If JT wants to win, and it looks like he does, then the Leafs should hold some interest.
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Post #1311 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:03 am

Why not two Alphas? Just a guess, but it may be Matthews with bunched panties with the hometown hero swooping in and stealing the thunder.
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Post #1312 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:04 am

Curry Rage wrote:Why would either JT or NYI want to end their partnership? Why would JT want to lose his position as undisputed alpha?

NYI is a pretty terrible organization, can't really foresee them winning anything in the near future. Almost a decade since JT was drafted and all they've won is one measly round. Many teams better than NYI can still pay him what he's worth and he'll have a better opportunity to win.
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Post #1313 by vf » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:30 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:Why would either JT or NYI want to end their partnership? Why would JT want to lose his position as undisputed alpha?

NYI is a pretty terrible organization, can't really foresee them winning anything in the near future. Almost a decade since JT was drafted and all they've won is one measly round. Many teams better than NYI can still pay him what he's worth and he'll have a better opportunity to win.


So it's the exact situation Sundin went through and stayed anyways?
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Post #1314 by Curry Rage » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:34 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Why not two Alphas? Just a guess, but it may be Matthews with bunched panties with the hometown hero swooping in and stealing the thunder.

So why do the Leafs do that? I.e. create massive expectations AND take on a second guy likely to make >10 million/@?
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Post #1315 by clawfirst » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:37 am

Ya its not gonna happen
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Post #1316 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:44 am

vf wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:Why would either JT or NYI want to end their partnership? Why would JT want to lose his position as undisputed alpha?

NYI is a pretty terrible organization, can't really foresee them winning anything in the near future. Almost a decade since JT was drafted and all they've won is one measly round. Many teams better than NYI can still pay him what he's worth and he'll have a better opportunity to win.


So it's the exact situation Sundin went through and stayed anyways?

Sundin had multiple playoff runs here and the team went to the ECF a few times. Toronto also wasn't an unstable gong show that had issues with arenas and attendance. By the time Burke came in Sundin was at the tail end of his career, as opposed to Tavares who is in his prime and has won a single playoff round.

Saying it's the exact same situation is not accurate at all.
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Post #1317 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:45 am

Curry Rage wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:Why not two Alphas? Just a guess, but it may be Matthews with bunched panties with the hometown hero swooping in and stealing the thunder.

So why do the Leafs do that? I.e. create massive expectations AND take on a second guy likely to make >10 million/@?

I don't see JT coming here either, but I don't think he stays in NYI.
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Post #1318 by paulster » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:18 am

He will go somewhere dumb like Minnesota and we'll never hear from him again.
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Post #1319 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:23 am

Curry Rage wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:Why not two Alphas? Just a guess, but it may be Matthews with bunched panties with the hometown hero swooping in and stealing the thunder.

So why do the Leafs do that? I.e. create massive expectations AND take on a second guy likely to make >10 million/@?



It can work. Pitts has two and a half alphas. I'm cheering for Kessel to win the Art Ross this year. Wouldn't that be something. Just to think we retained on that shit. I digress...

Matthews/JT
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Thats why?

We only need one and figure shit out after the parade.
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Post #1320 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:24 am

paulster wrote:He will go somewhere dumb like Minnesota and we'll never hear from him again.



I'd give up Nylander so the fucking scabs don't get him.

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Post #1321 by vf » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:27 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
vf wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:NYI is a pretty terrible organization, can't really foresee them winning anything in the near future. Almost a decade since JT was drafted and all they've won is one measly round. Many teams better than NYI can still pay him what he's worth and he'll have a better opportunity to win.


So it's the exact situation Sundin went through and stayed anyways?

Sundin had multiple playoff runs here and the team went to the ECF a few times. Toronto also wasn't an unstable gong show that had issues with arenas and attendance. By the time Burke came in Sundin was at the tail end of his career, as opposed to Tavares who is in his prime and has won a single playoff round.

Saying it's the exact same situation is not accurate at all.


Sundin never won a playoff round until his 9th season. JT has had more success so far in his career then Sundin had through 8 seasons.

Leafs were a shit hole organization from the Ballard days until Shanahan arrived.
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Post #1322 by Curry Rage » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:26 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:Why not two Alphas? Just a guess, but it may be Matthews with bunched panties with the hometown hero swooping in and stealing the thunder.

So why do the Leafs do that? I.e. create massive expectations AND take on a second guy likely to make >10 million/@?

I don't see JT coming here either, but I don't think he stays in NYI.

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Post #1323 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:19 pm

I can see JT coming to Toronto, but I can also see him going to a few other destinations like: St Louis, Boston, and Nashville.
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Post #1324 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:46 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:I can see JT coming to Toronto, but I can also see him going to a few other destinations like: St Louis, Boston, and Nashville.



Montreal has the need, and the cap space. There's only one reason why they kept the cap space. And now the Rangers want to "rebuild". It can't get anymore transparent what they are planning to do. It's an arms race and there's only one bomb. Who's going to pay the most? Shit wouldn't it be funny if its the Rangers, JT in a Ranger jersey?

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Post #1325 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:47 pm

Fuck them all.

Nylander 1st 2nd

Two franchise centers in a span of two years? Bring it on. I also love Willy, but he's no Tavares.
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Post #1326 by clawfirst » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:32 pm

Very short sighted. This is the detroit model. Find the lidstrom. Dont trade away datsyuk
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Post #1327 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:36 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:I can see JT coming to Toronto, but I can also see him going to a few other destinations like: St Louis, Boston, and Nashville.



Montreal has the need, and the cap space. There's only one reason why they kept the cap space. And now the Rangers want to "rebuild". It can't get anymore transparent what they are planning to do. It's an arms race and there's only one bomb. Who's going to pay the most? Shit wouldn't it be funny if its the Rangers, JT in a Ranger jersey?

:rudy:


I think if John Tavares leaves Long Island it will be to win a cup. If it's about comfort and money he will stay where he is.
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Post #1328 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:59 pm

clawfirst wrote:Very short sighted. This is the detroit model. Find the lidstrom. Dont trade away datsyuk


It is short sighted I'll give you that. Nylander will never be Dats, we'll never have a Lids, and fuck the Wing model, this is the Leaf model. Kind of a Pens model with a twist of good ol tranna boy.
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Post #1329 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:02 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:I can see JT coming to Toronto, but I can also see him going to a few other destinations like: St Louis, Boston, and Nashville.



Montreal has the need, and the cap space. There's only one reason why they kept the cap space. And now the Rangers want to "rebuild". It can't get anymore transparent what they are planning to do. It's an arms race and there's only one bomb. Who's going to pay the most? Shit wouldn't it be funny if its the Rangers, JT in a Ranger jersey?

:rudy:


I think if John Tavares leaves Long Island it will be to win a cup. If it's about comfort and money he will stay where he is.



They go after every free agent. He's already lived in NY his whole pro life, they will offer an overpayment. It's guaranteed. They'll try to convince him he is the answer.
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Post #1330 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:16 pm

^ They can try to convince him all they like, but I don't think it will work. I really believe JT will stay with the Islanders unless he believes signing with another organization gives him a great opportunity to win a cup and not take too much of a haircut.
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Post #1331 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:
clawfirst wrote:Very short sighted. This is the detroit model. Find the lidstrom. Dont trade away datsyuk


It is short sighted I'll give you that. Nylander will never be Dats, we'll never have a Lids, and fuck the Wing model, this is the Leaf model. Kind of a Pens model with a twist of good ol tranna boy.

Nylander is a pretty special player. He is inconsistent at times, but his skating and ability to gain zone entries at will are paralleled by few in this league. As he becomes a more consistent player he is going to be extremely valuable (hell he already is). Datsyuk level? Perhaps not, but we didn't even know Datsyuk would be Datsyuk when he was Nylander's age.
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Post #1332 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:53 pm

I also think it's unfair to compare Nylander to Datsyuk when JT isn't even that level of player. Prime Datsyuk was basically Bergeron with better offense.
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Post #1333 by clawfirst » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:39 pm

No...Datsyuk was not Bergeron with better offense.

Lmao


Jesus Christ


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Post #1334 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:54 pm

clawfirst wrote:No...Datsyuk was not Bergeron with better offense.

Lmao


Jesus Christ


Az, everyone


3 Selke's and multiple ppg+ seasons is Bergeron with better offense claw. Stylistically they go about it differently but the end result esp in terms of possession is very similar.
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Post #1335 by Honus Joglund » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:51 pm

Bob said on his latest podcast that Anaheim could consider moving Antoine Vermette if they continue to be a bubble team. He would be a good Boyle-esque pickup for the Leafs. He's a UFA coming off a 2 year/$1.75 million AAV contract, so re-signing him would likely cost well under $2M. Who has a better fourth line than Komarov - Vermette - Kapanen?
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Post #1336 by Curry Rage » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:35 am

That's a move I can get behind.
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Post #1337 by LeafOfBread » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:14 am

Honus Joglund wrote:Bob said on his latest podcast that Anaheim could consider moving Antoine Vermette if they continue to be a bubble team. He would be a good Boyle-esque pickup for the Leafs. He's a UFA coming off a 2 year/$1.75 million AAV contract, so re-signing him would likely cost well under $2M. Who has a better fourth line than Komarov - Vermette - Kapanen?

As long as he doesn't cost as much as he did when he was traded to Chicago I'm definitely interested
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Post #1338 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:45 am

Sosh's conditioning stint is over today. Should we be expecting a move today? Does he make it through waivers?
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Post #1339 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:01 am

I'm assuming he'd be part of a package for a depth forward/dman. For Vermette maybe like Sosh + a 2nd.
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Post #1340 by Zardoz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am

I just saw the stadium series uniforms and i also just threw up all over the control room i'm in.
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Post #1341 by Zardoz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:04 am

Its like Clockwork Orange.
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Post #1342 by clawfirst » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:15 am

The white gloves and pants are a bit much
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Post #1343 by WTF » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:21 am

I got the email from Real Sports Apparel with the preview.

They just look so sterile. Not enough contrast. Very bland.
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Post #1344 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 am

MonkeyWrench wrote:I'm assuming he'd be part of a package for a depth forward/dman. For Vermette maybe like Sosh + a 2nd.


As of today we are over the roster limit.
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Post #1345 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 am

As "meh" as the jerseys were in the last outdoor classic, I much prefer them to the whites.
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Post #1346 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:30 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:I'm assuming he'd be part of a package for a depth forward/dman. For Vermette maybe like Sosh + a 2nd.


As of today we are over the roster limit.


It's a good a time as any for a packaged depth deal to occur.

The only real options for roster space without involving waivers is sending either Dermott or Kapanen down. Neither should happen.
Or you could see if Sosh, Leivo get any bites through waivers.
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Post #1347 by LeafOfBread » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:43 am

clawfirst wrote:The white gloves and pants are a bit much

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Re: ongoing 2017-2018 season discussion

Post #1348 by clawfirst » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:44 am

Lets see what kind of crafty imaginary IR move we pull for this log jam.

Id just waive Leivo. Good luck and good bye
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Re: ongoing 2017-2018 season discussion

Post #1349 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:13 pm

Apparently an extension is an option.
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Re: ongoing 2017-2018 season discussion

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