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Post #651 by FlyHigh » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Flyers Twitterverse has been melting down because Pronman had us at No.12 in his latest prospect rankings. The methodology is kind of interesting, a couple points to consider.

1) Pronman seems to put a huge premium on "elite" NHL prospects and how much they boost a pool. For example, Detroit moved from 24 to 7 largely based on drafting Zadina (who Pronman sees as elite). I think Chicago got a similar bump because of Boqvist. According to Pronman, Flyers/NYR have the deepest systems in the league (ranked 11 and 12), but are lacking that top-end talent. Seems justifiable to me as guys like Frost/Farabee/Myers probably all fall into the category of "very good" NHL prospects rather than "top 10 in the world" prospects.

That being said, it seems a little odd to me to have Detroit go up 17 spots based on one player. I've never seen Zadina play, but just because you're viewed as an elite talent in your draft year doesn't mean you're going to be a gamebreaking player. The top-7 in the 2014 draft were Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl, Dal Colle, Virtanen, and Fleury. Not exactly a murderer's row.

It seems like you have 1-2 sure thing prospects per year and then everybody else is basically a "we hope he's really good but we don't know for sure" type player, not sure if owning a top-10 draft pick in and of itself justifies massive reshuffles in rankings.

2) I do have a lot of sympathy for the "goalies are voodoo" argument and I think Pronman basically discounts Hart, but it does seem a little shortsighted to me. Goalies are notoriously tough, but at the same time, you're talking about a position that has 10x the impact on a game of any skater. I'm not sure what the solution is, but my understanding is that Hart is the best/2nd best prospect in the world at the most important position in the game, seems like that would necessitate a bit more consideration.

In the end, it's just rankings and seeing the fanbase freak out about it has been worth it.
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Post #652 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:40 pm

In the end, it's a lazy list that isn't worth the bandwidth.
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Post #653 by CantSeeColors » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:05 am

Not sure how one guy can accurately rate that many players anyway. It was an interesting read, but ultimately "meh" in terms of caring where we fall compared to other teams. Definitely agree that a guy like Zadina shouldn't swing a team that much on his own - if you're not at like the Matthews level, you're not worth more than all the rest of Harts, Frosts, Farabees, Myerses, etc. combined.

Also thought it was pretty crazy to just remove Sanheim from the ranks when he clearly didn't establish himself (edit: in the coach's eyes) last year. While I think he should have and is a shoo in this year, I'd still consider him a prospect.
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Post #654 by jester » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:17 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Not sure how one guy can accurately rate that many players anyway. It was an interesting read, but ultimately "meh" in terms of caring where we fall compared to other teams. Definitely agree that a guy like Zadina shouldn't swing a team that much on his own - if you're not at like the Matthews level, you're not worth more than all the rest of Harts, Frosts, Farabees, Myerses, etc. combined.

Also thought it was pretty crazy to just remove Sanheim from the ranks when he clearly didn't establish himself (edit: in the coach's eyes) last year. While I think he should have and is a shoo in this year, I'd still consider him a prospect.


It's all subjective, of course. One should, however, have an objective definition of a "prospect."
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Post #655 by FlyHigh » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:24 pm

Apparently we have a new mascot, "Gritty", and apparently it's not a prank? Yikes.
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Post #656 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:35 pm

It’s every bit as terrible as I feared it would be.
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Post #657 by FlyHigh » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:54 pm

I can't tell if they know it's awful and they're deliberately steering into it for the publicity. That creature is the thing nightmares are made of.
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Post #658 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:53 pm

Are we sure it isn't Voracek?
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Post #659 by jester » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:50 am

FlyHigh wrote:I can't tell if they know it's awful and they're deliberately steering into it for the publicity. That creature is the thing nightmares are made of.


Yeah ... I've seen people defending that monstrosity with "folks, calm yourself, it's for kids!" I can all but guarantee my 3 year old son will be terrified of that thing. Kids get freaked out by the Phanatic, and that thing is 100x crazier to look at. I would also like to talk to whomever put that whole thing together and then thought, "You know what, this guy needs googly eyes!"
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Post #660 by Kilgore Trout » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:59 am

The eyes are genuinely unsettling.
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Post #661 by Hovercraft » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:00 am

I can't believe Gritty is real but he does seem hilarious.

Lehtera is apparently a suspect in a finnish cocaine trafficking case. So that's great.
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Post #662 by Kilgore Trout » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:18 am

Maybe they can cut him for that.
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Post #663 by chaosof99 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:46 am

Dean Lombardi on the case.
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Post #664 by CantSeeColors » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:56 pm

They don't need to cut him, they're just going to ship him up the NE Extension.
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Post #665 by Hovercraft » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:18 pm

Leier and Weise cleared waivers. We picked up Pickard (G) from TOR. I guess he'll backup Elliot with Neuvirth hurt.
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Post #666 by FlyHigh » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Lehtera apparently will be in the opening night lineup, buckle up.
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Post #668 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:34 am

Didn't somebody show him the forum name one time? Could've sworn I remember one of you fucks meeting him somewhere and telling him about it.
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Post #669 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:43 pm

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:Didn't somebody show him the forum name one time? Could've sworn I remember one of you fucks meeting him somewhere and telling him about it.


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