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Post #1901 by Dig Out Your Soul » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:57 pm

jester wrote:Where the fuck have you been? Come back to the light. Scarjo isnearing retirement.


Mostly lurking. As an adult I've become very disinterested in posting on the internet. Mostly because social media is a cesspool. It's hard for me to have any desire to enter into the fray. So that attitude has translated to any spot on the web that I used to participate. Also doesn't help that the team hasn't been that interesting for a while. I still watch and I still care, but the passion has been lost a little bit I'll admit.

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Post #1902 by JLHockeyKnight » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:02 pm

Dig Out Your Soul wrote:Mostly because social media is a cesspool.


BRB gotta go post about the wall and race in the comments section of any news article on the internet. :nucks:

Joking aside, happy new year and hope all is well!
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Post #1904 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:47 pm

Can he play goal?
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Post #1905 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:55 pm

In the defense of Simmonds, this season, there's no possible way for a player of his caliber to prepare himself for another season in the NHL as he normally would have during the off-season, given how many injuries he had sustained and battled through. I think it's affecting him the same way Giroux and Gostisbehere were affected by their off-season surgeries a year or two ago, and he will inevitably rebound. Having said that, mileage is mileage. There's no going back in time, and for that reason alone I maintain that it's best Fletcher moves on from Simmonds now while the value is there, and for Simmonds to move on to a team that is ready to compete for the Stanley Cup now - not three years from now.
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Post #1906 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:30 pm

Simmonds, raffl, and weal all should be getting traded unless the team suddenly rips off like seven straight wins. Probably should see if there are any takers on Macdonald too, and offer to retain half the salary
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Post #1907 by Hovercraft » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:16 am

Manning a healthy scratch on his new team already
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Post #1908 by chaosof99 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:13 am

Sam Carchidi posted a dumb conservative meme on Twitter attributing an obviously stupid statement to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. He deleted it within 5 minutes after immediate backlash. At least that also gave me the push to unfollow him.
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Post #1909 by FlyHigh » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:22 pm

The freakout over AOC saying eminently reasonable things ("Trump is racist", "Taxes on the wealthy should be higher") has really been something to behold.
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Post #1910 by Hovercraft » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:18 pm

Typical RW media scape goat now that Obama isn't relevant. Young, non-white and female. Everything that threatens the GOP.
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Post #1911 by CantSeeColors » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:11 pm

I was going to ask why these off topic posts are in this thread, but Trump is definitely a "Gaping Dirt-Hole" in 2018-19, so you guys are actually pretty spot on.
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Post #1912 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:12 pm

This season needs to die a quick death.
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Post #1913 by dbr » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:01 pm

Put Hart back in the AHL it’s stupid having him up here.
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Post #1914 by vonbonds » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:19 pm

It’s as if Hex and Hal knew what they were doing
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Post #1915 by dbr » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:24 pm

JJ and Jones caught w/ a hot mic.
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Post #1916 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:43 pm

I wonder if Hart hates his team already
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Post #1917 by FlyHigh » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 am

dbr wrote:JJ and Jones caught w/ a hot mic.


Yeah, that was kind of refreshing in a weird way, nice to know that they don't buy everything they're selling...everybody works for somebody.

I gotta say, one thing has been nagging me for a while. There seems to be this presumption with every Flyers team that they "have a good room." At what point do you start to point to the vet leadership on the team as being an issue?

This Blues game is the first one I can remember under Gordon where they just no-showed, but that was happening every other game by the end of the Hakstol era. This might be veering into hot take territory, but Simmonds has really PO'd me lately. Has taken a shit ton of dumb penalties and then didn't track Tkachuk at all in a game with 4 mins left when the team desperately needed a win.

I think Giroux comes from the Kimmo school of be quiet and lead by example, and I'd guess Couturier is similar, beyond that, where's the vet leadership on this team? I don't think Voracek/JvR are leaders, Simmonds I just mentioned, AMac has a letter pretty much by default. For the younger guys like Patrick, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Lindblom (i.e., the guys that will need to be really good for this team to contend), who are they looking to for leadership?

I dunno, this kind of thinking is what leads teams like the Oilers into giving Lucic a 6 year deal, but I do wonder if they need new voices in that room that are going to demand accountability. Hak had clearly lost the room and I think he was mediocre as a coach, but you can't pin this entire season him and the goaltending.
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Post #1918 by jester » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:09 pm

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dbr wrote:JJ and Jones caught w/ a hot mic.


Yeah, that was kind of refreshing in a weird way, nice to know that they don't buy everything they're selling...everybody works for somebody.

I gotta say, one thing has been nagging me for a while. There seems to be this presumption with every Flyers team that they "have a good room." At what point do you start to point to the vet leadership on the team as being an issue?

This Blues game is the first one I can remember under Gordon where they just no-showed, but that was happening every other game by the end of the Hakstol era. This might be veering into hot take territory, but Simmonds has really PO'd me lately. Has taken a shit ton of dumb penalties and then didn't track Tkachuk at all in a game with 4 mins left when the team desperately needed a win.

I think Giroux comes from the Kimmo school of be quiet and lead by example, and I'd guess Couturier is similar, beyond that, where's the vet leadership on this team? I don't think Voracek/JvR are leaders, Simmonds I just mentioned, AMac has a letter pretty much by default. For the younger guys like Patrick, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Lindblom (i.e., the guys that will need to be really good for this team to contend), who are they looking to for leadership?

I dunno, this kind of thinking is what leads teams like the Oilers into giving Lucic a 6 year deal, but I do wonder if they need new voices in that room that are going to demand accountability. Hak had clearly lost the room and I think he was mediocre as a coach, but you can't pin this entire season him and the goaltending.


I would say one of the bigger problem with this roster in recent years is the lack of an effective veteran voice on the back end. The guy does not need to be a top pairing guy, but a stable vet that plays regular ES minutes and PK ... AMac is that guy by default, but he's been in and out of the lineup and down in the AHL. How much weight can his voice have in that situation, and that's before getting to the frustrating elements of his play.

I am generally leery of psychoanalyzing leadership of teams given that we are not privy to the internal dynamic short of when shit blows up (Pronger and Lavy v. Richards and Carter). I also think "leadership" at the pro level is generally overvalued and criticism of it is usually sidestepping the reality that the roster is not that great. That being said, this team clearly needs a shakeup. Not sure that leadership is necessarily a component of that shakeup, but this has all gotten very stale.
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Post #1919 by jester » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:10 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Typical RW media scape goat now that Obama isn't relevant. Young, non-white and female. Everything that threatens the GOP.


In fairness to both ... being a declared "Democratic Socialist" is a bit novel.
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Post #1920 by Hovercraft » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:01 pm

Good to hear JJ and Jones rip Voracek's effort. If Fletcher can find a hockey deal with Voracek for a similar overpaid but solid player it would probably be worth doing.
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Post #1921 by JLHockeyKnight » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:12 pm

FlyHigh wrote:
dbr wrote:JJ and Jones caught w/ a hot mic.


Yeah, that was kind of refreshing in a weird way, nice to know that they don't buy everything they're selling...everybody works for somebody.

I gotta say, one thing has been nagging me for a while. There seems to be this presumption with every Flyers team that they "have a good room." At what point do you start to point to the vet leadership on the team as being an issue?

This Blues game is the first one I can remember under Gordon where they just no-showed, but that was happening every other game by the end of the Hakstol era. This might be veering into hot take territory, but Simmonds has really PO'd me lately. Has taken a shit ton of dumb penalties and then didn't track Tkachuk at all in a game with 4 mins left when the team desperately needed a win.

I think Giroux comes from the Kimmo school of be quiet and lead by example, and I'd guess Couturier is similar, beyond that, where's the vet leadership on this team? I don't think Voracek/JvR are leaders, Simmonds I just mentioned, AMac has a letter pretty much by default. For the younger guys like Patrick, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Lindblom (i.e., the guys that will need to be really good for this team to contend), who are they looking to for leadership?

I dunno, this kind of thinking is what leads teams like the Oilers into giving Lucic a 6 year deal, but I do wonder if they need new voices in that room that are going to demand accountability. Hak had clearly lost the room and I think he was mediocre as a coach, but you can't pin this entire season him and the goaltending.


Lately? This isn't new. Calgary pretty much tied the game on Saturday late because he couldn't pick up his fucking man.
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Post #1922 by CantSeeColors » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:46 pm

Simmonds has actually never really been better than a third line ES player, other than maybe one year. Part of this team’s struggles over the years has been the constant planning as if he’s a first liner
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Post #1923 by FlyHigh » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:55 am

CantSeeColors wrote:Simmonds has actually never really been better than a third line ES player, other than maybe one year. Part of this team’s struggles over the years has been the constant planning as if he’s a first liner


For sure, but he's been violating the "don't do stupid shit" rule a ton lately. Losing your temper after you take dumb penalties and, as JL points out, repeatedly failing to track your guy should not be acceptable from a guy with a letter on his jersey.

For some reason I've been watching most of these games (admittedly while reading a book or etc.), they're just so brutal right now, it's a very 06-07 vibe except this team is more talented.

I guess the main positive is that 06-07 didn't really ruin anyone outside of Pitkanen (and I think it's become apparent that he had some issues that may not have been just related to that year). Really thought they could turn a corner after that Nashville game, but they didn't get some bounces in the next couple and now they're just in a complete tailspin, not sure how this gets resolved, time to start selling. Outside of Simmonds, I'd be curious what the market is like for a guy like Gudas.

Also agree with Hover's point on Jake, they need to figure out if this is just a malaise or if this is who he is now, 5 years left at that cap hit is no joke.
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Post #1924 by CantSeeColors » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:28 am

Gudas should have a pretty strong market, but isn’t he the only RH guy on our blue line?
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Post #1925 by FlyHigh » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:17 pm

How could you possibly forget Folin?

Also, Myers is a righty as is Friedman. If we accept the premise that the season is lost, Myers should absolutely be in the NHL right now and I'm curious about Friedman as well.
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Post #1926 by jester » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:46 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Also agree with Hover's point on Jake, they need to figure out if this is just a malaise or if this is who he is now, 5 years left at that cap hit is no joke.


This is who he is ... he's been like this for a bit. The reason it's so ugly right now is that the PP is a train wreck, which exacerbates his weaknesses (as well as Simmonds').

FlyHigh wrote:How could you possibly forget Folin?

Also, Myers is a righty as is Friedman. If we accept the premise that the season is lost, Myers should absolutely be in the NHL right now and I'm curious about Friedman as well.


I have to assume we will see Myers a bit this year at some point, but I also suspect that they do not want to gut the Phantoms with the goal of all of these guys having a good AHL playoff experience.
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Post #1927 by FlyHigh » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:37 pm

I haven't looked at the numbers, so this might not be heavily supported, but my memory of Jake is of someone who was also a play-driving beast at 5v5 and could generate zone entries at will. I don't really think the same 5v5 impact has been there this year, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Re: Myers/Friedman and AHL, I think it'd be dumb to waste half a season of low-pressure NHL development time to try to ensure that those guys make the AHL playoffs. Unless they blow it up (and I very much doubt that Fletcher is in a position to do that), the team is going to enter next year with some serious expectations and Myers is going to be on that roster and quite possibly expected to play in a top-4 role. I'd feel better about it if he had 30-40 NHL games to at least get his feet wet.

Also, Varone is with the big club now even though he appears to be a Quad-A player (and was AHL MVP last year). Heck, if they're worried about bodies on D, just send AMac back down.
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Post #1928 by jester » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:40 pm

FlyHigh wrote:I haven't looked at the numbers, so this might not be heavily supported, but my memory of Jake is of someone who was also a play-driving beast at 5v5 and could generate zone entries at will. I don't really think the same 5v5 impact has been there this year, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Re: Myers/Friedman and AHL, I think it'd be dumb to waste half a season of low-pressure NHL development time to try to ensure that those guys make the AHL playoffs. Unless they blow it up (and I very much doubt that Fletcher is in a position to do that), the team is going to enter next year with some serious expectations and Myers is going to be on that roster and quite possibly expected to play in a top-4 role. I'd feel better about it if he had 30-40 NHL games to at least get his feet wet.

Also, Varone is with the big club now even though he appears to be a Quad-A player (and was AHL MVP last year). Heck, if they're worried about bodies on D, just send AMac back down.


Point I was making was that he's always had stretches of good paired with disinterested play. If the PP was halfway decent he'd be a PPG player most likely right now.

As far as bringing guys up ... I expect to see them. I am, however, a bit ambivalent about being up for the sake of it. There's value in playing meaningful professional hockey in games where results matter. They won't get that here.
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Post #1929 by FlyHigh » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:56 pm

He's never going to be a hard worker defensively, but even just a quick look at Natural Stat Trick shows that he's near the bottom of the forward group when it comes to driving possession whereas historically he's always tilted the ice in the right direction. Some of that may be due to constant line juggling though, the bottom 9 have been in a hopper for most of the season.

On your 2nd point, I disagree a bit there. Guys still care about winning games, this team may have consistency issues, but I don't think they're going to collectively decide "we're out so we can mail in the last 40 games." Some of those guys (Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Simmonds) are playing for contracts and others may be playing for a future spot in the league (Raffl, Weal) Plus, they'll be playing plenty of teams still in the hunt. Think there's more value in them seeing NHL players and NHL speed and skill as opposed to playing another 40 games in the AHL (on top of the ~100 AHL games they have already).
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Post #1930 by jester » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:00 pm

FlyHigh wrote:He's never going to be a hard worker defensively, but even just a quick look at Natural Stat Trick shows that he's near the bottom of the forward group when it comes to driving possession whereas historically he's always tilted the ice in the right direction. Some of that may be due to constant line juggling though, the bottom 9 have been in a hopper for most of the season.

On your 2nd point, I disagree a bit there. Guys still care about winning games, this team may have consistency issues, but I don't think they're going to collectively decide "we're out so we can mail in the last 40 games." Some of those guys (Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Simmonds) are playing for contracts and others may be playing for a future spot in the league (Raffl, Weal) Plus, they'll be playing plenty of teams still in the hunt. Think there's more value in them seeing NHL players and NHL speed and skill as opposed to playing another 40 games in the AHL (on top of the ~100 AHL games they have already).


There's a big difference between playing out the string, and playing for something.
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Post #1931 by FlyHigh » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 am

As I said, a lot of the guys they're going up against won't be playing out the string and I don't think you're giving enough credit to people's natural competitiveness. The NHL is literally as high as you can go; everybody that sticks in the league is a competitive mf'er. Even if the games don't matter, I don't think you're going to see players start tanking, there's too much pride for that. IIRC, that 06-07 team actually had a decent finish after they added Biron and Upshall (and provided some much needed optimism going into the next season).
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Post #1932 by jester » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:28 pm

FlyHigh wrote:As I said, a lot of the guys they're going up against won't be playing out the string and I don't think you're giving enough credit to people's natural competitiveness. The NHL is literally as high as you can go; everybody that sticks in the league is a competitive mf'er. Even if the games don't matter, I don't think you're going to see players start tanking, there's too much pride for that. IIRC, that 06-07 team actually had a decent finish after they added Biron and Upshall (and provided some much needed optimism going into the next season).


Not really the point. It's not as noticeable in hockey, but you really telling me shitty MLB teams play with the same urgency in September that they did in May/June?

As said, I expect to see the important young players get some games. But I don't really need that to be 30 games--and I don't think they need it to be that.

The '06-07 team closed 6-16.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ ... games.html

If they surge it will be because some of these guys having down seasons revert to mean a bit, but I wouldn't hold my breath on the record improving too much.
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Post #1933 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:48 pm

The team is under-performing a bit, but we all know this teams towards the end of the rebuild. Now I don't think this is the worst case if the team shits the bed the rest of the year without Hart getting fucking destroyed I would be fine. Flyers wind up with a high draft pick and the team has a lot of young talent. They could then get rid of the remaining vets to change the culture, looking at Simmonds and Voracek mainly. Keep Giroux obviously because he should perform for years look to guys like Couturier and Provorov for future leadership. I still think the Flyers should look to make a move somewhere for a proven defender and not rely on Provorov for thirty minutes a game. Frost looks ready to play with the big guys next year, Patrick needs to find some type of chemistry on a line though. I do wonder if Holmgren is thinking maybe I over estimated our talent level? Let's not kid Holmgren could very well fire Scott next week and just make himself the GM again because he's fucking Holmgren.
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Post #1934 by chaosof99 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:51 am

They, this steam actually won a game, and it only took a goalie to make 37 saves because this team somehow is unable to bury even odd-man rush scoring chances :X
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Post #1935 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:06 am

Games Played
1. Bobby Clarke 1144
2. Bill Barber 903
3. Brian Propp 790
4. Claude Giroux 785

Assists
1. Bobby Clarke 852
2. Claude Giroux 501

Points
1. Bobby Clarke 1210
2. Bill Barber 883
3. Brian Propp 849
4. Claude Giroux 729


And... Carter Hart was named first star of the game. Again.
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Post #1936 by chaosof99 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:27 pm

We sold off Weal for a 6th round pick and an ECHL scrub. Hardly the end of the world and in the grand scheme of things a routine, nothing trade. But still it is kind of lamentable. It's not like Weal is a world beater, but I think he is a decent depth forward and a bit better usage (i.e. not having him sit in the press box) may not have turned the fortunes of this team around, but at least gotten us a slightly better return asset. But hey, at least Fletcher is getting something in return instead of just letting Weal walk in the summer, as I doubt there were any plays of signing Weal as a UFA.
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Post #1937 by Hovercraft » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:17 am

yeah surprised we couldn't get a 3rd or 4th but weal was definitely expendable
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Post #1938 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:14 am

He'll always be number 20 in my book - right there with Freddy Meyer, and Erik Gustafsson.
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Post #1939 by dbr » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:43 pm

That's probably the season...?
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Post #1940 by chaosof99 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:24 pm

The season's been pretty much a write off for two weeks now. 15 points out of a playoffs spot with less than half a season to go is more or less insurmountable.
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Post #1941 by DeadPhish » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:13 pm

At least we have Gritty.
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Post #1942 by dbr » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:49 pm

Season was over for me when Hextall was canned and the butchering of Hak.

We’re officially mathematically finished now.
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Post #1943 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:12 pm

One assist shy of 500. Damn it all, G.
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Post #1944 by jester » Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:29 am

I think it's worth pondering the skill required for a 2nd year player that just got out of a pretty significant goal drought to do a between the legs shot at a sharp angle.

I remain pretty bullish on what Patrick will be when he hits his early 20s. Much like Couturier, I hope the organization is a bit aggressive in locking him down in what will then (hopefully) become a really friendly contract.
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Post #1945 by Hovercraft » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:57 am

Yeah that game should be great for Patrick's confidence.

It's great to see Sanheim and Lindblom actually getting much deserved bigger minutes now under Gordon.

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Post #1946 by chaosof99 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:39 pm

Weise has been waived. Hopefully someone is dumb enough to take him. Unfortunately Chiarelli doesn't have the cap space.
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Post #1947 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:34 pm

I think Patrick and Couturier should be a very very good 1-2. I'm comfortable moving forward with them and hopefully Frost takes the 3C next season. Should Patrick's offensive production pass Couturier's or should they be close?
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Post #1948 by Hovercraft » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:41 pm

I don't think he'll do much better than Couturier's career year, but Patrick should be able to produce more consistently once he gets to that level.
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Post #1949 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:08 pm

I'm expecting a consistent 25-40 point distribution out of Patrick, with peak years topping out at 30-50.

Bergeron, as a point of reference, averages 25-38. So, basically that.
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Post #1950 by jester » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:25 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:I'm expecting a consistent 25-40 point distribution out of Patrick, with peak years topping out at 30-50.

Bergeron, as a point of reference, averages 25-38. So, basically that.


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