The Quest for Lord Stanley's Goblet: Our Toronto Leafs 2018-2019 General Discussion

[LeafOfBread]

Bobby Orr on how Matthews feels about Tavares joining the @MapleLeafs “I’ve spoken with Auston. He’s thrilled. He’s thrilled that John’s coming. His goal is to be on a Stanley Cup team, and obviously having John on the team is going to help.”



Is there really a controversy surrounding the Captaincy in @MapleLeafs? “That’s bull about him being upset about the captaincy. That’s so wrong. They’re a good team & they’re going to be a very good team, John puts them closer to their goal. That’s what Auston is concerned about”

[LeafOfBread]

I'm starting to think Shanahan had a pretty strong leash on Lou.



I mean I assume his salary is low enough that he can be buried if need be, but why a guy like this is getting a 4 yr deal is mind boggling.

[vf]

Leo, Matt Martin, clutterbuck and this guy. They may be tough, but they'll never catch anyone.

[LeafOfBread]

Leo, Matt Martin, clutterbuck and this guy. They may be tough, but they'll never catch anyone.

According to Mirtle once Dubas took over all talks with Polak's agent on a new deal had also ceased.

[AGENT ZERO]

Leo, Matt Martin, clutterbuck and this guy. They may be tough, but they'll never catch anyone.

According to Mirtle once Dubas took over all talks with Polak's agent on a new deal had also ceased.

Lou is stuck in the old NHL, replacing him with Dubas is the most significant move made this offseason.

[Philthy Thrillz]

I'm sold on Dub. Young, genius, calculated(same as JT) That in itself probably made JT feel rejuvenated, and was a big part in landing the unicorn.

[Philthy Thrillz]

I wanted Hunter, but this isn't even close. Hands down a great decision by Shanny.

[Philthy Thrillz]

Leo, Matt Martin, clutterbuck and this guy. They may be tough, but they'll never catch anyone.

It's all about speed now and in the future. My buddy Rosen is going to impress at camp.

[Cunning Stunt II]

Have a look at this boy. Tavares and Mathews on thew ice together. (about the 25 second mark)

[WTF]

It's a thing of beauty, CS.

On a side note, I'd laugh pretty damn hard if Matthews, Nylander and Marner all signed extensions this offseason, leaving the media with nothing else to write about.

[MonkeyWrench]

[■] hot dog diet
[■] players somehow upset with god walking into room
[■] contractual issues

Hmmm...
Oh i got it!

[□] cant afford all the great players. Absolute must trade situation! Mix in some stupidity from one of the parties.

[LeafOfBread]

Yzerman re-signs Kucherov for 9.5 AAV. Hopefully this helps with the Matthews / Marner negotiations. It's nice that the comparables now aren't just retarded contracts signed by Edmonton and Buffalo.

[AGENT ZERO]

They need to do something about the state tax difference in the NHL because it's bs that a team like Tampa Bay can pay players less under the cap and still give them more in real dollars. There is no way that a player of Kucherov's status and production should be making sub 10.5M

[Whit Dickman]

Crazy that he took such a discount. He probably could have gotten 12 on the open market

[AGENT ZERO]

Crazy that he took such a discount. He probably could have gotten 12 on the open market

He is making more than JT in real dollars.

[Dynrehab]

Crazy that he took such a discount. He probably could have gotten 12 on the open market

He is making more than JT in real dollars.

Should they also adjust for endorsement opportunities?

These guys hire smart people to invest their money properly and limit taxes paid. I think it is a fan issue more than a real issue. He could get traded tomorrow and pay higher taxes so I’d imagine he takes that into consideration.

[paulster]

Crazy that he took such a discount. He probably could have gotten 12 on the open market

He is making more than JT in real dollars.

Should they also adjust for endorsement opportunities?

What if a player gets traded?

[Whit Dickman]

Should they adjust for general shittiness?!?

[WTF]

What about players paid in Canadian Tire money and inactive McDonald's gift cards?

[Dynrehab]

From a report a few years ago, Calgary and Edmonton have the lowest taxes to affect the NHL players. Leafs are around 20th.

https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CTF-Home ... antage.pdf

[clawfirst]

What about players paid in Canadian Tire money and inactive McDonald's gift cards?

Ottawa fans could use a break from being kicked in the balls wtf.

[cawbber]

They need to do something about the state tax difference in the NHL because it's bs that a team like Tampa Bay can pay players less under the cap and still give them more in real dollars. There is no way that a player of Kucherov's status and production should be making sub 10.5M

that shows commitment from Kucherov in helping keep the team together.

[WTF]

What about players paid in Canadian Tire money and inactive McDonald's gift cards?

Ottawa fans could use a break from being kicked in the balls wtf.

The funny thing about people bringing up the tax advantage for TB is that TB fans instantly countered with the money teams like the Leafs could spend on non-roster resources like coaching/management and how there should be a cap there, which immediately made me think about how screwed the Sens would be if a floor were implemented too. The six(!) members of the Snes front office would either need massive raises or Melnyk would have to find another way to pay staff (free expired pharmaceuticals?).

[Whit Dickman]

They have just six guys in the front office? Haha, we must have like 20

[mooseOAK]

They need to do something about the state tax difference in the NHL because it's bs that a team like Tampa Bay can pay players less under the cap and still give them more in real dollars. There is no way that a player of Kucherov's status and production should be making sub 10.5M

If they aren’t signing away players from other teams then why should we care?

[LeafOfBread]

Crazy that he took such a discount. He probably could have gotten 12 on the open market

He is making more than JT in real dollars.

Should they also adjust for endorsement opportunities?

These guys hire smart people to invest their money properly and limit taxes paid. I think it is a fan issue more than a real issue. He could get traded tomorrow and pay higher taxes so I’d imagine he takes that into consideration.

This. I recall reading some in depth analysis around this and they basically concluded that due to some loopholes / rules that could be worked around, the taxes paid difference really doesn't end up being as much as the media reports or that the average fan thinks. It's not as simple as 'apply x% federal + provincial/state rate'. The difference actually only ends up being a few hundred thousand rather than 1-2 million/yr like the media reports.

Plus, getting paid in USD is also a nice advantage of playing here.

[WTF]

I've always wondered, is it possible for a player to be paid as a contracted "employee" of a company registered in the Bahamas? So a team would be subcontracting the player via said company.

[AGENT ZERO]

He is making more than JT in real dollars.

Should they also adjust for endorsement opportunities?

These guys hire smart people to invest their money properly and limit taxes paid. I think it is a fan issue more than a real issue. He could get traded tomorrow and pay higher taxes so I’d imagine he takes that into consideration.

This. I recall reading some in depth analysis around this and they basically concluded that due to some loopholes / rules that could be worked around, the taxes paid difference really doesn't end up being as much as the media reports or that the average fan thinks. It's not as simple as 'apply x% federal + provincial/state rate'. The difference actually only ends up being a few hundred thousand rather than 1-2 million/yr like the media reports.

Plus, getting paid in USD is also a nice advantage of playing here.

I read the same report, but you still have to put your money into bonds which cannot be touched until retirement, and even then there is still a difference. If money was a deciding factor for me I would definitely play in Tampa. I understand the argument about endorsements, but that is off ice revenue, and it makes sense that you would be paid more for playing in a market that generates more revenue for the companies and the league.

[Whit Dickman]

The other thing about Tampa is that it's in Florida. I would avoid living in the US as much as possible... and Florida, in particular, is fucked

[WTF]

True. The true downside to the beneficial tax situation is you have to live in a place surrounded by Floridians.

[Dynrehab]

Should they also adjust for endorsement opportunities?

These guys hire smart people to invest their money properly and limit taxes paid. I think it is a fan issue more than a real issue. He could get traded tomorrow and pay higher taxes so I’d imagine he takes that into consideration.

This. I recall reading some in depth analysis around this and they basically concluded that due to some loopholes / rules that could be worked around, the taxes paid difference really doesn't end up being as much as the media reports or that the average fan thinks. It's not as simple as 'apply x% federal + provincial/state rate'. The difference actually only ends up being a few hundred thousand rather than 1-2 million/yr like the media reports.

Plus, getting paid in USD is also a nice advantage of playing here.

I read the same report, but you still have to put your money into bonds which cannot be touched until retirement, and even then there is still a difference. If money was a deciding factor for me I would definitely play in Tampa. I understand the argument about endorsements, but that is off ice revenue, and it makes sense that you would be paid more for playing in a market that generates more revenue for the companies and the league.

Why would an $80 million player want to touch all of his money before retirement?

[paulster]

Hell, put it ALL in to the retirement fund and just live off of IOU's for the next 13 years.

[AGENT ZERO]

This. I recall reading some in depth analysis around this and they basically concluded that due to some loopholes / rules that could be worked around, the taxes paid difference really doesn't end up being as much as the media reports or that the average fan thinks. It's not as simple as 'apply x% federal + provincial/state rate'. The difference actually only ends up being a few hundred thousand rather than 1-2 million/yr like the media reports.

Plus, getting paid in USD is also a nice advantage of playing here.

I read the same report, but you still have to put your money into bonds which cannot be touched until retirement, and even then there is still a difference. If money was a deciding factor for me I would definitely play in Tampa. I understand the argument about endorsements, but that is off ice revenue, and it makes sense that you would be paid more for playing in a market that generates more revenue for the companies and the league.

Why would an $80 million player want to touch all of his money before retirement?

All things being similar, why would I pick the option where all of my money is not available to me? Additionally, it is a sizable amount of money that would not be made available, essentially the difference in tax rates.

[Dynrehab]

I read the same report, but you still have to put your money into bonds which cannot be touched until retirement, and even then there is still a difference. If money was a deciding factor for me I would definitely play in Tampa. I understand the argument about endorsements, but that is off ice revenue, and it makes sense that you would be paid more for playing in a market that generates more revenue for the companies and the league.

Why would an $80 million player want to touch all of his money before retirement?

All things being similar, why would I pick the option where all of my money is not available to me? Additionally, it is a sizable amount of money that would not be made available, essentially the difference in tax rates.

No matter where they live, they are sheltering most of their income to the extent possible because they still pay federal tax rates in either country.

[paulster]

Well, we figured it out. I guess nobody will ever sign here in Toronto again.

[Dynrehab]

Well, we figured it out. I guess nobody will ever sign here in Toronto again.

Montrealand California are the worst.

[Whit Dickman]

[Thomas Malthus]

Interesting writeup on two new staff members joining the Leafs as pro scouts: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018 ... aple-leafs

[Curry Rage]

https://twitter.com/Kathy0727/status/1016517814558035968?s=19

Whatever you do, don't *punch* him. They get all pissy about that.

[Curry Rage]

Interesting writeup on two new staff members joining the Leafs as pro scouts: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018 ... aple-leafs

It's the dog days, but personally it's hard to get excited over an article about a junior lawyer guy. Nothing personal to Ed's bro, mind you. I'm sure he'll do a great job.

[Thomas Malthus]

Interesting writeup on two new staff members joining the Leafs as pro scouts: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018 ... aple-leafs

It's the dog days, but personally it's hard to get excited over an article about a junior lawyer guy. Nothing personal to Ed's bro, mind you. I'm sure he'll do a great job.

Yeah, the only real “exciting” part seems to be that we’re attracting people who are overqualified because they want to be part of this organization. Given that Gilman may not be long for this org, it’s good to have a stable of potential replacements.

[Curry Rage]

True. Money talks.

[WTF]

I think it's a combination of money and momentum.

People around the league have to have noticed that there's the potential for something special when a young team, two years removed from finishing dead last, has just set a new club record for points for a club that just recently celebrated its centennial.

[Curry Rage]

I think it's a combination of money and momentum.

People around the league have to have noticed that there's the potential for something special when a young team, two years removed from finishing dead last, has just set a new club record for points for a club that just recently celebrated its centennial.

Sure. As does the belief that the working environment will be good. But, from Babcock on down, this company spends money on the off ice staff. It's not a bad thing. It's a strength we should utilise. There have to be some perks to helping keep the league afloat with your brand.

[Thomas Malthus]

I’d like to see them expand the skills development staff. Goalies get way more one-on-one skills coaching than players do. Use those off-ice resources to get players more of that individualized skill coaching. The app with breakdowns for the prospects from the recent dev camp is a good start but I think they can still do better.

[WTF]

For sure. There's no salary cap for non-roster expenditures so MLSE might as well flex its financial muscle (in a sensible fashion) on management, coaching, scouting, training and development, sports science, analytics, etc.

[Curry Rage]

Johnsson signed a one-year deal. Will be RFA at the end.

[WTF]

Yeah, Johnsson accepted his QO. If he can deliver as expected this coming season, he's getting paid.

[Curry Rage]

He's going to have to be pretty damn good to get the ice time to earn a killer deal. Lots of guys ahead of him depth wise.

[Philthy Thrillz]

2.5 next deal. Four years.