The mediocre, not so best D in Leafs history.

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The mediocre, not so best D in Leafs history.

Post #1 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:50 am

Rielly hainsey
Gardiner Zats
Rosen Lilegren

That's what Im hoping for.
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Post #2 by Honus Joglund » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:06 am

Liljegren is multiple years away. In the playoffs my guess is that he was the Marlies' #6 d-man by ice time after Rosen, Marincin, Dermott, Holl and LoVerde.

He could have top pairing upside, but pushing him into the NHL too quickly is a good way to turn him into Matt Hunwick 2.0.
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Post #3 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:15 am

Why would anyone hope for Ron Hainsey on the top pair? Also how the fuck did you forget Dermott...
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Post #4 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:34 am

Shit i knew i forgot about someone. Maybe Mo shifts over.

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Post #5 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:35 am

Shit i knew i forgot about someone. Maybe Mo shifts over.

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Post #6 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:43 am

I am hoping that the Leafs either reunite Gardiner - Rielly who have had tremendous success when paired together or try Dermott on the RS next to Rielly or Gardiner. Hainsey should be relegated to the third pair at ES. I am also hoping that one of Rosen or Holl pushes their way into the top 6.

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaistev
Hainsey - Holl
Rosen
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Post #7 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:50 pm

The hoping was mostly in regards to Rosen (i really think he has a good chance to crack the line-up, if he looks anything like he did in the playoffs) and Lil.

We are in a spot where one of the young skilled D could boom. And, the Leafs D is ripe for the taking.

I also think Lilly is closer to being NHL ready than he is multiple years away. He also looked really good in the playoffs. I like his jam, also. That will bode well for him.
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Post #8 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:21 pm

Liljegren played #6 minutes for the Marlies all year, and he just held his own with the Marlies, which is great for his age but not something that translates to the NHL level yet. I don't think he is multiple years away, but I would be shocked if he contributed at the NHL level this year beyond a late season call up in March.
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Post #9 by Curry Rage » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Liljegrin didn't look NHL ready to me in the playoffs. I'm expecting a big leap forward for him this year. With his age, he's sort of coming into what would be a lot of guys' draft + 1 season. His production was very impressive for his age from what I've read.

Dermott shouldn't be on the top pair yet. Still too many risks. Or at least that was the case in the AHL playoffs.
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Post #10 by Whit Dickman » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:57 pm

Ozighanov might make the team
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Post #11 by mooseOAK » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:10 pm

I’m okay with the defence. They shouldn’t be relied on very heavily and there might be help at the deadline, unlike this past season.
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Post #12 by paulster » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:54 am

mooseOAK wrote:I’m okay with the defence. They shouldn’t be relied on very heavily and there might be help at the deadline, unlike this past season.


18 minutes of Tavares every night should help with the D, no?
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Post #13 by vf » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:28 pm

I think that's what he's saying.


A much better defensive group of forwards this coming season compared to last year should make the D look better.
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Post #14 by Dynrehab » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:26 am

They still need Chris Tanev, in my opinion.
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Post #15 by LeafOfBread » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:04 pm

Will be really interesting to see what happens with Rosen and Borgman, I almost forgot about them. I think Borgman got kind of a raw deal, he had a solid but unspectacular year however he was looking better and better as he played but ultimately his lack of being a right shot is unfortunately what did him in, cause based on just performance / ability he was actually one of the Leafs better D this season. He also got fucked over with an injury and missed pretty much the entire Calder Cup playoffs which is a real shame cause that could've been great experience for him. I think he has what it takes to cut it as a legitimate top 4 in this league, and he plays with an edge which is great.

Rosen had a good year with the Marlies and in the playoffs took it to another level. He has a very intriguing skill set although he's kinda soft. Not sure if he gets a real chance or not due to the whole left side right side stuff but it would be nice to give him a few games. Sadly I feel like it'll be a numbers game and we'll see him head back to Sweden or maybe get traded for a conditional 6th or some shit.
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Post #16 by Curry Rage » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:10 pm

I liked Borg. Agree he’s got NHL ability. Still not sold on Rosen despite his great playoffs.
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Post #17 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Better skater, passer, and smarter.
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Post #18 by Zardoz » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:09 am

I'm in camp Borg. Not as smooth a skater but he's no slouch. He's also got some puck handling skills that go un-heralded, he carries really well. I think, to be honest, because he's also strong and has a mean streak people overlook his actual skill level. He's been pigeon-holed as "Baby Polak".
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Post #19 by LeafOfBread » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:12 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Better skater, passer, and smarter.

I don’t know about that last part. Bergman is actually a pretty smart defender and his hockey IQ is pretty underrated. Zardoz described it well.
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Post #20 by Curry Rage » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:24 am

Yeah, seeing him live (sample size!!!) there seemed to be a lot of sound and fury that lead to little. I couldn’t tell what combination of A) playing with AHL guys, B) the opponents’ defensive play C) his brains meant that he would skate really nicely with the puck and then make an inexplicable play at the end that lead nowhere.
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Post #21 by Dynrehab » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:40 am

Curry Rage wrote:Yeah, seeing him live (sample size!!!) there seemed to be a lot of sound and fury that lead to little. I couldn’t tell what combination of A) playing with AHL guys, B) the opponents’ defensive play C) his brains meant that he would skate really nicely with the puck and then make an inexplicable play at the end that lead nowhere.


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