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Post #2151 by Devilsfanatic » Sat May 23, 2020 4:29 pm

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Post #2152 by Devilsfanatic » Sat May 23, 2020 7:19 pm

https://nypost.com/2020/05/23/nhl-bette ... t-lottery/

Indeed, the league should design a weighted lottery in which these seven all have an opportunity to move up into any slot. Not only that, those seven teams should be guaranteed the top seven picks.

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Post #2153 by CerebralGenesis » Sat May 23, 2020 7:23 pm

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Post #2154 by da god » Sat May 23, 2020 8:28 pm

Devilsfanatic wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/05/23/nhl-better-not-cheat-the-teams-bound-for-draft-lottery/

Indeed, the league should design a weighted lottery in which these seven all have an opportunity to move up into any slot. Not only that, those seven teams should be guaranteed the top seven picks.

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Seems like common sense. 1-7 should have their own weighted lottery, 3 winners as has been and the rest slide into the remaining top 7 spots. Then the “play in round” losers have their own lottery with equal odds and you draw all 8 teams to fill out 8-15 slots. The remaining 16 slots are filled out as they normally would with playoff results.
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Post #2155 by Craig » Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 pm

da god wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/05/23/nhl-better-not-cheat-the-teams-bound-for-draft-lottery/

Indeed, the league should design a weighted lottery in which these seven all have an opportunity to move up into any slot. Not only that, those seven teams should be guaranteed the top seven picks.

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Seems like common sense. 1-7 should have their own weighted lottery, 3 winners as has been and the rest slide into the remaining top 7 spots. Then the “play in round” losers have their own lottery with equal odds and you draw all 8 teams to fill out 8-15 slots. The remaining 16 slots are filled out as they normally would with playoff results.


So if the Habs win a best of 5 series where all the teams are coming in cold, they end up getting like the 16th overall pick for that awful year?

I hate that the NHL is going all clown show here. Just take the top 16 by points % and do everything like normal.
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Post #2156 by da god » Sat May 23, 2020 9:57 pm

Craig wrote:
da god wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/05/23/nhl-better-not-cheat-the-teams-bound-for-draft-lottery/

Indeed, the league should design a weighted lottery in which these seven all have an opportunity to move up into any slot. Not only that, those seven teams should be guaranteed the top seven picks.

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Seems like common sense. 1-7 should have their own weighted lottery, 3 winners as has been and the rest slide into the remaining top 7 spots. Then the “play in round” losers have their own lottery with equal odds and you draw all 8 teams to fill out 8-15 slots. The remaining 16 slots are filled out as they normally would with playoff results.


So if the Habs win a best of 5 series where all the teams are coming in cold, they end up getting like the 16th overall pick for that awful year?

I hate that the NHL is going all clown show here. Just take the top 16 by points % and do everything like normal.


They theoretically could have picked 11th under normal circumstances, or potentially a few picks later depending on how the remaining schedule had played out. Is picking 16th after winning games in a postseason a bad thing?
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Post #2157 by Craig » Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm

da god wrote:
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da god wrote:Seems like common sense. 1-7 should have their own weighted lottery, 3 winners as has been and the rest slide into the remaining top 7 spots. Then the “play in round” losers have their own lottery with equal odds and you draw all 8 teams to fill out 8-15 slots. The remaining 16 slots are filled out as they normally would with playoff results.


So if the Habs win a best of 5 series where all the teams are coming in cold, they end up getting like the 16th overall pick for that awful year?

I hate that the NHL is going all clown show here. Just take the top 16 by points % and do everything like normal.


They theoretically could have picked 11th under normal circumstances, or potentially a few picks later depending on how the remaining schedule had played out. Is picking 16th after winning games in a postseason a bad thing?


The Devils have a .07% lower win percentage. Pretty much in exactly the same spot, except they had a couple of games less played and it's off by literally one point in the standings. Would you rather the Devils got in the playoffs, or got a lottery pick?
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Post #2158 by GM17 » Sat May 23, 2020 10:09 pm

Craig wrote:
da god wrote:
Craig wrote:
So if the Habs win a best of 5 series where all the teams are coming in cold, they end up getting like the 16th overall pick for that awful year?

I hate that the NHL is going all clown show here. Just take the top 16 by points % and do everything like normal.


They theoretically could have picked 11th under normal circumstances, or potentially a few picks later depending on how the remaining schedule had played out. Is picking 16th after winning games in a postseason a bad thing?


The Devils have a .07% lower win percentage. Pretty much in exactly the same spot, except they had a couple of games less played and it's off by literally one point in the standings. Would you rather the Devils got in the playoffs, or got a lottery pick?


given how the team can play, I'd rather playoffs. But I'm not sure they'd come back from the break with fresh optimism or the same old frustration. I'd assume they'd 'overperform' but if they didn't it might actually cripple the team because they're a bunch of mental midgets.
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Post #2159 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat May 23, 2020 10:16 pm

They could let teams like Montreal opt out of this playoff round and into the lottery. I don't think they would go for it because of the optics, but I don't know that a team like the Habs has a chance of going anywhere this season anyway. But I think it is fair to give the 17-24th place teams the choice of either playoff games or lottery odds.
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Post #2160 by Craig » Sat May 23, 2020 10:21 pm

Yeah, teams can't opt out. It would cripple them with their fans and their players. Plus they'd be giving up money, so the owners wouldn't do it.
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Craig wrote:
da god wrote:
Craig wrote:
So if the Habs win a best of 5 series where all the teams are coming in cold, they end up getting like the 16th overall pick for that awful year?

I hate that the NHL is going all clown show here. Just take the top 16 by points % and do everything like normal.


They theoretically could have picked 11th under normal circumstances, or potentially a few picks later depending on how the remaining schedule had played out. Is picking 16th after winning games in a postseason a bad thing?


The Devils have a .07% lower win percentage. Pretty much in exactly the same spot, except they had a couple of games less played and it's off by literally one point in the standings. Would you rather the Devils got in the playoffs, or got a lottery pick?

Playoffs and anyone who says otherwise is a jackass
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Post #2162 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun May 24, 2020 8:06 am

Then call me a jackass, because watching this team in the playoffs would just be an exercise in frustration.
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Post #2163 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 8:07 am

I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.
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Post #2164 by da god » Sun May 24, 2020 9:55 am

Craig wrote:I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.

If only there was some kind of qualification based tournament that could give you a chance at a Cup

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Post #2165 by Devilsfanatic » Sun May 24, 2020 10:25 am

They've got no chance....... No chance in hell
They've got......
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Post #2166 by åboriginal » Sun May 24, 2020 10:41 am

We shall will them to the cup!
{convincingly and embarrassingly swept in first round}
Oh welp, we tried.
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Craig wrote:I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.


Tell that to Oiler fans
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Post #2168 by Devilsfanatic » Sun May 24, 2020 1:37 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.


Tell that to Oiler fans


K, now do the Blackhawks
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Post #2169 by Hugh Jackes » Sun May 24, 2020 1:40 pm

you can't bitch and moan every day about how awful this team is and then at the same time want to pass up a chance on the highest pick possible

This team would lose 1st round no questions asked. We don't need to see them play anymore hockey this year. Get the highest pick.
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Post #2170 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 1:42 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.


Tell that to Oiler fans


Tell scraping into the playoffs because you have a chance to the Panthers. And Coyotes. And Sabres. And blue jackets. And Islanders. And...
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Post #2171 by Dat Boi » Sun May 24, 2020 1:46 pm

Thanks for proving my point?
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Post #2172 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 1:48 pm

Dat Boi wrote:Thanks for proving my point?


I'm not sure your point is what you think it is.
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Devilsfanatic wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:I'd vastly prefer a chance at a franchise forward than a handful of hopeless games. I want cups, not first round exits.


Tell that to Oiler fans


K, now do the Blackhawks


After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups
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Post #2174 by Dat Boi » Sun May 24, 2020 1:49 pm

Craig wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:Thanks for proving my point?


I'm not sure your point is what you think it is.


It’s that NHL teams would rather have a shot at the playoffs than a lottery ball. It’s why rentals fetch a premium in trade. You’re not this dumb
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Post #2175 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 1:58 pm

If you go back to 2008, pretty much every cup winner was built around a few very high draft picks. St Louis last year was the exception. I suppose the Kings too, but their D centered on Doughty so...
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Post #2176 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 1:58 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:Thanks for proving my point?


I'm not sure your point is what you think it is.


It’s that NHL teams would rather have a shot at the playoffs than a lottery ball. It’s why rentals fetch a premium in trade. You’re not this dumb


So you're arguing against nobody then?
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Post #2177 by da god » Sun May 24, 2020 1:59 pm

Hugh Jackes wrote:you can't bitch and moan every day about how awful this team is and then at the same time want to pass up a chance on the highest pick possible

This team would lose 1st round no questions asked. We don't need to see them play anymore hockey this year. Get the highest pick.

You can certainly complain about the state of the team and still want them to make the playoffs which has been my MO for the last 5 years
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Post #2178 by Dat Boi » Sun May 24, 2020 2:00 pm

You’re the one that said you’d rather the forward than quote unquote hopeless games
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Post #2179 by Dat Boi » Sun May 24, 2020 2:04 pm

Craig wrote:If you go back to 2008, pretty much every cup winner was built around a few very high draft picks. St Louis last year was the exception. I suppose the Kings too, but their D centered on Doughty so...


For the Penguins to build their dynasty they needed to tank for a decade and then be fortunate enough to win the most important lottery in league history. Even with all of that it still took multiple playoff exits before they became who they were. That’s not a sustainable or copyable model
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Post #2180 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 2:08 pm

Dat Boi wrote:You’re the one that said you’d rather the forward than quote unquote hopeless games


I also did that teams couldn't opt for that because of other pressures. So I'm still not sure what your point is.
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Post #2181 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 2:10 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:If you go back to 2008, pretty much every cup winner was built around a few very high draft picks. St Louis last year was the exception. I suppose the Kings too, but their D centered on Doughty so...


For the Penguins to build their dynasty they needed to tank for a decade and then be fortunate enough to win the most important lottery in league history. Even with all of that it still took multiple playoff exits before they became who they were. That’s not a sustainable or copyable model


Sure, but you also have to play in a league with the Penguins in it. Also, you're doing your best to ignore the Caps and Blackhawks, huh?
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Post #2182 by Devilsfanatic » Sun May 24, 2020 2:14 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Tell that to Oiler fans


K, now do the Blackhawks


After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups


Devils have picked top five twice since the rebuild started, top 10 three times. The Lightning and Maple Leafs are contenders, a damn sight better than teams now and could win a Cup in the next four or five years. The Flyers and Islanders are in the mix for playoff spots now, and they haven't been picking first or second constantly for years. Stockpiling picks leads to being a contender which COULD lead to a Cup, or at the very least a playoff team.

Using the Oilers constantly is a tired argument, because them and the Sabres are the only two that really keep their wheels spinning and a lot of that has to do with ownership/management, not the players they choose.
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Post #2183 by Dat Boi » Sun May 24, 2020 2:30 pm

Craig wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Craig wrote:If you go back to 2008, pretty much every cup winner was built around a few very high draft picks. St Louis last year was the exception. I suppose the Kings too, but their D centered on Doughty so...


For the Penguins to build their dynasty they needed to tank for a decade and then be fortunate enough to win the most important lottery in league history. Even with all of that it still took multiple playoff exits before they became who they were. That’s not a sustainable or copyable model


Sure, but you also have to play in a league with the Penguins in it. Also, you're doing your best to ignore the Caps and Blackhawks, huh?


Obviously there’s exceptions to the rule but I’m not ignoring anything. The Caps and their gang were labeled choke artists for a decade until Oshie who wasn’t drafted by them finally got them over the hurdle. They are a shit example. Congrats on the Blackhawks for having their group of top picks all pan out
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Devilsfanatic wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:
K, now do the Blackhawks


After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups


Devils have picked top five twice since the rebuild started, top 10 three times. The Lightning and Maple Leafs are contenders, a damn sight better than teams now and could win a Cup in the next four or five years. The Flyers and Islanders are in the mix for playoff spots now, and they haven't been picking first or second constantly for years. Stockpiling picks leads to being a contender which COULD lead to a Cup, or at the very least a playoff team.

Using the Oilers constantly is a tired argument, because them and the Sabres are the only two that really keep their wheels spinning and a lot of that has to do with ownership/management, not the players they choose.


The Devils have two top picks and are still not close. The Lightning have 0 cups and got embarrassed last year. The Flyers have not been a legit contender going back all the way to losing the Kane lottery. The Islanders didn’t even get to a ECF with Tavares
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Post #2185 by da god » Sun May 24, 2020 2:48 pm

So what I’ve learned is that you can win by stacking draft picks and you can lose despite stacking draft picks

You know what all Stanley Cup teams have in common? They all made the playoffs before they won.
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Post #2186 by TreasonWeasel » Sun May 24, 2020 2:56 pm

da god wrote:So what I’ve learned is that you can win by stacking draft picks and you can lose despite stacking draft picks

You know what all Stanley Cup teams have in common? They all made the playoffs before they won.

Generally speaking I agree with you re: the playoffs but this year, just give me the high pick. This team hasn’t earned a god damn thing whereas a season like 17-18 could be considered invaluable to the young players that earned it all season. Speaking of which, shout out to Hynes & Co. for ruining any and all progress by guys like Bratt and Butcher by scratching the former countless times and playing the latter against his strengths
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Post #2187 by Craig » Sun May 24, 2020 3:05 pm

da god wrote:So what I’ve learned is that you can win by stacking draft picks and you can lose despite stacking draft picks

You know what all Stanley Cup teams have in common? They all made the playoffs before they won.


It looks to me like that's all true, but the other thing is you pretty much can't win without stacking draft picks. If you think Hischier/Hughes are your Kane/Toews and it's time to start being competitive then go for it. Given their performances so far I don't really see it, but that's me.

Going back to my Habs where this all started, I definitely don't see that core in place, so I definitely would rather a lottery pick than a round of 24 or round of 16 loss.
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Post #2188 by da god » Sun May 24, 2020 3:05 pm

I’d argue the Devils would be a dangerous team with a reset season. They’re relatively young so there’s no rookie wall, and they have a goalie who can easily get hot. Do they win the cup? Doubtful. But as far as lesser teams go I doubt they’re one of the teams that the favorites would want to play early.
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Post #2189 by GM17 » Sun May 24, 2020 3:34 pm

Devils' problem is breakouts and odd-man chances against. With a capable defence, they probably make the playoffs. I'd offer Pietrangelo a max contract and pray, and Zadorov something competitive for a 2nd/3rd pairing SAH role.
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Post #2190 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun May 24, 2020 3:42 pm

Dat Boi wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Tell that to Oiler fans


K, now do the Blackhawks


After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups


the oilers, lightning, sabres, leafs and oilers are all much better teams with high end talent because they sucked for several years. winning the cup is a combination of talent, luck and circumstances (i.e. who your opponent is each round). teams can really only control one of those three. you want to build talent through the draft, trades and free agency the best you possibly can.

i don't know what model of building a team you prefer, but the lou model is dead with the salary cap. the bruins are the only team who come close to the lou model and that's only because players bought in with lower salaries to spread the talent around. and they are now nearing the end of their cycle.
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Post #2191 by da god » Sun May 24, 2020 4:02 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
Devilsfanatic wrote:
K, now do the Blackhawks


After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups


the oilers, lightning, sabres, leafs and oilers are all much better teams with high end talent because they sucked for several years. winning the cup is a combination of talent, luck and circumstances (i.e. who your opponent is each round). teams can really only control one of those three. you want to build talent through the draft, trades and free agency the best you possibly can.

i don't know what model of building a team you prefer, but the lou model is dead with the salary cap. the bruins are the only team who come close to the lou model and that's only because players bought in with lower salaries to spread the talent around. and they are now nearing the end of their cycle.


The Lightning are great because they hit late in drafts, not early despite having Stamkos

There’s no one size fits all blueprint. Take postseason appearances when you can. I have no idea how this is even being debated.
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Post #2192 by Devilsfanatic » Sun May 24, 2020 4:05 pm

If we had Hall and the gang then playoffs meant something. This year didn't. They need to at least taste a race, next season, no bottom 10 feedin
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2193 by guyincognito » Sun May 24, 2020 4:23 pm

da god wrote:I’d argue the Devils would be a dangerous team with a reset season. They’re relatively young so there’s no rookie wall, and they have a goalie who can easily get hot. Do they win the cup? Doubtful. But as far as lesser teams go I doubt they’re one of the teams that the favorites would want to play early.


Weren’t they a borderline playoff team if you played Blackwood 82 times? I mean obviously you can’t do that but you wouldn’t play your shitty backups in a series
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2194 by åboriginal » Sun May 24, 2020 4:23 pm

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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2195 by GM17 » Sun May 24, 2020 5:15 pm

da god wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Dat Boi wrote:
After I do that you can do the devils islanders lightning flyers Sabres and maple leafs

Stockpiling top picks does not correlate to cups


the oilers, lightning, sabres, leafs and oilers are all much better teams with high end talent because they sucked for several years. winning the cup is a combination of talent, luck and circumstances (i.e. who your opponent is each round). teams can really only control one of those three. you want to build talent through the draft, trades and free agency the best you possibly can.

i don't know what model of building a team you prefer, but the lou model is dead with the salary cap. the bruins are the only team who come close to the lou model and that's only because players bought in with lower salaries to spread the talent around. and they are now nearing the end of their cycle.


The Lightning are great because they hit late in drafts, not early despite having Stamkos

There’s no one size fits all blueprint. Take postseason appearances when you can. I have no idea how this is even being debated.


They also have Hedman, but to your point they traded Drouin for a pretty decent defender after it became clear he wasn't willing to put in the work to break his ceiling.
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2196 by TreasonWeasel » Mon May 25, 2020 12:53 pm



I could be way off, but would this mean a draft in early July shortly before play restarts? Why do the lottery now if the draft isn’t until September/October or whenever?
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2197 by Hugh Jackes » Mon May 25, 2020 1:01 pm

It better just be a 7 team lottery
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2198 by da god » Mon May 25, 2020 1:48 pm

Hugh Jackes wrote:It better just be a 7 team lottery

Wait until you see a 15 team lottery with the ability to only move up 4 slots
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2199 by Rockie » Mon May 25, 2020 3:52 pm

they'll revise it to a 5 slot limit so we're first team fucked on both the playoffs and the lotto
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Re: 2019-20 News Around the League

Post #2200 by Dat Boi » Tue May 26, 2020 12:56 pm

Bettman is speaking at 4:30 to lay out the plan

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